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• Jim : Nov 8, 2007 at 10:17 pm

  David, you are a genius. The FEBL school of filmmaking is a genre so full of stock images and characters that you might as well sell a FEBL plug-in for Final Cut Pro.

  Of the stock characters, you left out Nostradamus, the NY Times, and everyone’s new Irrational Bad Guys, the Iranians!

  Among the auteurs in this genre, could you include Michael Moore, king of the hasty generalization? Just because one might agree with his politics does not mean his rhetorical methods hold up to scrutiny.

  And speaking of rhetoric, it’s not “begging the question” it’s “raising the question”.

• admin : Nov 8, 2007 at 10:33 pm

  Ah, that answers a question that was ‘raised’, by the phrase begging the question.

  Similarly illogical is the phrase - the exception that proves the rule, which is based upon the fact that the word ‘prove’ originally meant to test.

• jason : Nov 8, 2007 at 11:57 pm

  i like to call these IAC movies (It’s All Connected, as in the line Nic Cage delivers in trailers for those movies he does about Abe Lincoln killing Jesus with the Constitution or whatever). there’s an understandable desire for everything that sucks in the world to be the fault of a single entity, because facing the fact that everything that sucks does so of its own volition means there’s no way to topple it all at once.

  Zeitgeist is an especially hilarious IAC/FEBL movie, but what’s so American about the income tax?

• David : Nov 8, 2007 at 11:59 pm

  This is the best description I have read for this over-rated movie.

• admin : Nov 9, 2007 at 12:17 am

  @jason.

  Without a Federal tax, there would only be local taxes, and therefore the US would be a notional grouping like the EU, rather than a country.

  Of course you could argue that there would still be a constitution that defines the US. But since core values such as who can have sex, how and where, whether people can be executed etc. vary state to state, I would argue, rather controversially, that the constitution is ironically rather FEBL compared to the tangible nature of hard cash.

• ashley johnston : Nov 9, 2007 at 6:24 am

  I probably wouldn’t have wanted to watch this were it not for your commentary. I’ll tell you if I agree…

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• fog cutter : Nov 9, 2007 at 6:00 pm

  With all due respect, your refuting of this film is not based on any information presented in the film. Your reaction is representative of your fears and your inability to believe something other than what you have believed all your life. I was the same way.

  When mentioning Prt 1 (which basically reminds us, in historical detail, that organized religion is the ultimate tool for social control and devastation –not to mention the BIGGEST lie going, you simply acquiesce by saying “Fair enough except for the plagiarizing”. Fair enough? This section depicts organized religion to be an absolute fraud and you accept it, no problem? Can there be a bigger revelation in this world of blind worship? But you note the plagiarizing as the problem spot. The determinant point is the presentation of facts and ideas that do not jive with conventional beliefs, not the way the sources are utilized. That’s a giveaway in regards to your fear of treading any further. (By the way, if you visit the site of the film you will see for yourself the thorough approach undertaken in preparing and presenting this film. Corrections, sources, quotes, references are all listed. Zero deception. The makers of this film must be commended on the approach taken.)

  I am quite surprised that documentary fans and inquisitive minds would so easily dismiss such a film.

  With all due respect, your reaction is quite normal. I was incredibly sceptical of all people or “information’ that questioned conventional wisdom regarding “the truth” for many years.

  9/11 changed all that.

  I can see clearly now.

  We’re in this together.

• admin : Nov 9, 2007 at 7:49 pm

  Oh brother. “Mom… I caught one”.

  Yup, religion is not real and I accept that, no problem. I don’t need a documentary with a source list shorter than a high school term paper or to have be convinced that its all a deliberate conspiracy.

  Religion is not a conspiracy but a fictional story that people want to believe, rather like, hmm lets see - 911 Illuminati conspiracy theories.

  Massive conspiracies are too difficult to organize, people just happen to think the same. If you leave people alone they’ll create their own bondage either actively or passively, but by acting naturally. Even if people do plot to oppress on a massive scale and even if they are occasionally successful in their conspiracies, their fruits will necessarily always be in the minority compared to the pool of self-evolved enslavement through paranoia or like minded thinking.

  By viewing everything from a teleological standpoint you have merely swapped one irrational belief for another. The difference however is that the irrational belief of the Christians has the redeeming accoutrements of Bernini, Borromini and Bach, rather than the son et lumiere extravaganza of a bad rave in Goa.

  I have heard, however, that trying to dig out the microchip that the spooks plant in your head has the added side effect of a lobotomy.

• martin : Nov 12, 2007 at 6:33 pm

  At frame reference 22:39 a Bible is shown. It seems to be written in Irish if I’m not mistaken. Am I? Did anyone else pick up on this?

• admin : Nov 12, 2007 at 7:21 pm

  Yes, its part of a massive Irish conspiracy.

• Kevin : Nov 15, 2007 at 7:46 pm

  I haven’t watched the movie, but I do know this about the Federal Reserve — we didn’t have or need an income tax until it came into effect. Also, the Federal Reserve is a conglomeration of private banks — it’s essentially a private company that sets the value of our money and prints it. The Federal Reserve, because it’s a private institution, can and does charge our government interest on the money it prints for the US. The income tax doesn’t actually go to pay any gov’t service — it merely goes to the Federal Reserve to pay the interest on the money it prints and creates and gives to our gov’t to run.

  What does all that mean? It means that we’re paying someone to do the job the gov’t used to do on its own. We don’t need the Federal Reserve — we need a truly federal equivalent that won’t charge our country interest… and thereby drop the need for an income tax.

• Mike : Nov 15, 2007 at 7:49 pm

  I think the tricky is spooky music. When you are watching a documentary and you hear spooky music, it’s a good sign that you’re about to be fed a heaping shovel of horse crap. Something about it seems to disable the bullshit detectors of the intellectually feeble.

• Ficke : Nov 15, 2007 at 8:42 pm

  My secret wish is that 5,10,20 years from now we come to find out that all this 9/11 conspiracy hogwash was actually orchestrated by the CIA for some weird purpose and all these loony birds turn out to be pawns of very groups they claim to have such insight about. The irony would be exquisite.

• Levin : Nov 15, 2007 at 9:12 pm

  Ok. So what facts exactly are wrong in Zeitgeist? You’re basicly just saying it’s bullshit without proving it.

• Yet Another Mike : Nov 15, 2007 at 9:33 pm

  I can see two major flaws with “Zeitgeist”:

  1) “Zeitgeist” is to Christianity as “O Brother, Where Art Thou” is to Homer’s Odyssey. Possibly linking biblical and astrological mythologies does nothing to establish the credibility of either: Alison Kraus songs do not prove (or disprove) that Homer was tempted by Sirens.

  2) I strongly suspect, that like “The Bible Code”, it is possible to select a subset of bible information to “prove” damn near any theorem. I’d like to see what the Flying Spaghetti Monster people could do in their version of “Zeitgeist”.

• admin : Nov 15, 2007 at 9:53 pm

  “I’d like to see what the Flying Spaghetti Monster people could do in their version of ‘Zeitgeist’”

  What a great idea.

• Yet Another Mike : Nov 15, 2007 at 9:53 pm

  Oh, yeah, and that whole “son”/”sun” thing. Brilliantly discussed at the end of Star Trek “Bread and Circuses” by men in t-shirts and high-water pants.

  In Hebrew, sun sounds something like “shemesh”, and son sounds something like “ben”.

• admin : Nov 15, 2007 at 10:10 pm

  @Kevin

  1. Imagine Banking run by the DMV, that is why the Fed Reserve system works.

  2. Do you seriously think that income tax pays the federal reserve interest outside of government expenditure, and that the army, navy, coast guard, air force, medicare, education etc. are free? Have a look at the history of the 100 Years War.

  2. I have no opinion about this one way or the other, but you can be anti Federal Taxes, or a Nationalist American, or neither, but you cannot be both. There are no real countries without taxes. The anti-federal tax meme is a unique cultural quirk based upon ideology rather than reality.

• Dan : Nov 16, 2007 at 12:58 am

  Awesome breakdown. I’ve always thought of these types as going halfway through the thought process and hanging on where it’s most exiting/intense to stall.

  Like refusing to get off a roller coaster for love of the excitement.

• Chewbee : Nov 16, 2007 at 3:10 am

  You bash it without being convincing. This is preaching to the choir or, in today’s slang, blogging.

• dio : Nov 16, 2007 at 3:23 am

  this wasn’t nearly as amusing as Loose Change, or as big a lie.

• c1ph4 : Nov 16, 2007 at 1:27 pm

  you suck and your comment too. this movie is one of the best alternative independent documentations you will ever see. even when 100% of the information therein would be a lie, you would still find a lot of truth in it.

  you better stop eating shit and dick-cookies, cause that’s what you did and you are in serious problems, moron.

  your comment does not contain any content at all, as it is just a whack summary of the chapters. and you are not even a bit convincing.

  go to hell, stupid fuck.

• Alexandre : Nov 17, 2007 at 9:11 am

  Hello,

  I would like to read some serious discussion about all of this, after all, i think these are very important issues. I would like to see a real list of what’s wrong in the movie, what big lies are in it, a refutation of it. And that doesn’t seem to be the case in tour commentary. I’m in the middle of the film right now and it does seem to make sense up to now, somewhat more than your comment, but maybe it’s me… Maybe i like conspiracy teories and am drawn to them, or maybe there’s some truth in there. I would like really for someone to take zietgeist piece by piece and explain in it what is true and what is not. I think that that would be a real service to us all. And that should be done for every, as ou call them, Entertaining Big Lie. Knowledge does set you free.

• Dave M : Nov 25, 2007 at 1:33 am

  The U.S. wasn’t a country before WWI? Tarrifs are all local?

• grazy : Nov 26, 2007 at 10:22 pm

  Well done fog cutter! An intellegent open mined rebuttle.

  Draw your own truth from everything you see and hear!

  Just accept that a rich and powerfull minority control most of what you see.
  That minority has you listed, filed and documented.
  Your birth, your genes your earings and then your death.
  Then consider this! Our countries are governed by lying cheating politicians, tey lie to us everyday!

  Wake up

• grazy : Nov 26, 2007 at 10:29 pm

  *earnings*

• Cole Skinner : Nov 28, 2007 at 8:03 am

  This is coming from a Christian who thinks that the truth - even if it turns out to be something other than Christianity - is the most important pursuit. And I believe I’m open to hearing just about anything on the subject of religion - and if something comes along to convince me that my ideas on God are either in need of scrapping altogether or rethinking, then so be it. It would be hard to take, but not nearly as hard as believing in a lie.

  But there really is no excuse for the poor scholarship that is Zeitgeist . I’ll watch any film and entertain any ideas that I think are worth the time, but Zeitgeist should be a disappointment to anyone - Christian, atheist, Muslim, or Martian - who is looking to explore the subject.

  Most of the similarities between Christianity and the ‘mystery’ religions simply don’t exist at all - they’re completely fabricated. The few parallels that can even be entertained exist only through giant - and I mean giant - leaps of interpretation by the filmakers.

  Any remaining similarities that are even somewhat credible don’t take into account that most of the actual source material for our knowledge of the ‘mystery’ religions was created (or recreated, rewritten) years after the earliest known New Testament writings, suggesting that the ‘mystery’ religions were actually revamped to copy the successful stories of Christianity, not the other way around.

  The suggestion that Christ only existed as an allegory of some sort is pretty ludicrous. Even the most hardcore skeptics generally agree that the historical record - both first-hand accounts from people of the faith as well as accounts from non-believers who lived at the same time as Christ - are more numerous and detailed than perhaps any other record of any other prominent historical figure within several hundred years of Christ’s time on earth. It is one argument to doubt Christ’s divinity, but it’s wishful thinking to pretend that He didn’t exist at all.

  As for those of you who have commented something to the effect that you agree with the film’s basic premise, that religion is for the birds, I wonder why you think this way. Countless stories of corruption hasn’t lessened our belief that a decent government is possible, or even that some people in government can be decent within a corrupt apparatus. I would suggest that the Falwells and Robertsons of the world, the pedophile priests, in no way represent the actual tenants of the faith. God gave us free will, and some have chosen to exercise that free will in terrible ways.

  This shouldn’t keep each of us from looking for the truth. I’d refer you to C.S. Lewis’ “Mere Christianity” or to Thomas Merton’s “No Man Is An Island”, if you want to read the thoughts of some incredibly open-minded men who have come to Christianity not because they were brought up that way, or because they were too ignorant to know any better, but because they have searched and educated themselves, and Christianity seemed to them to be the faith that made sense.

  I imagine I should also refer you to The Bible itself, specifically the Sermon on The Mount in Matthew. To me, the words of Christ are most powerful in these passages - His exhortations are so unnatural to our usual inclinations, and yet have such authority, and ring so clearly true, that they seem unlikely to be from the mouth of someone seeking power or personal gain. I think after reading these passages you have to begin to wonder just who this man was and what his agenda might really be.

  Thanks for reading all of this, didn’t mean to post a novel here!

  Cole

• Michael James : Nov 30, 2007 at 9:43 pm

  Noah’s ark? Parting of the red sea? Fruit of knowledge? 5 horsemen? Simple tales and spooky stories meant to scare primitive people into believing in a system designed to control a populace. Religion has no business in today’s modern world, we have the ability to scientifically analyze things in these days and times. There is no reasonable, logical person who can honestly look at the fairy tales in the bible and believe them to be fact. How can u be so blind to reality, unless of course you can’t comprehend that there is no purpose to life besides to follow our genetic need to reproduce, which we aquired over years of “EVOLUTION”.

• pirsan rako : Dec 1, 2007 at 7:27 am

  You apparently don’t know anything!! You are just one of those who thinks he knows everything but the truth is that in this world the 3 richest have the same money as 48 countries together!!
  The 200 richest people in the world saw in the last year an increase of their wealth of about 10000 Euro per second!
  Each year in the world the following expenses are performed:
  17 Billion $ to food for pets in Europe!
  35 Billion $ to entertainment of Japanese managers!
  100 Billion $ to alcohol-consumption!
  400 Billion $ to drugs-use!
  700 Billion $ to weapons!
  1000 Billion $ to advertisement and publicity!

  Compare these with fact that 1.3 Billion people in the world live with less than 1$ a day and more than 3 Billion with less than 2$ a day!
  We only need 40 Billion $ to get rid of the worst types of poverty!
  Or just 6 Billion $ to give the whole world education!
  why? because In this system the human value doesn’t play a role, it’s only the economic value, which is important and who are the elite with these huge amount of money? People like Rockefeller, Rothschilds, etc.. and they simply don’t give a shit about people and they don’t want people to know the truth about capitalism! and the result is people like YOU, who have such a big wall in front of them that they can not see further. But NO This can change my friend, READ, please read!
  “Elementary principles of philosophy”, Georges Politzer
  “Science in History”, John D. Bernall
  “Origin of Species”, Charles Darwin
  “Amazing, amazing universe, but knowable”, V.S. Gott
  “Estranged Labour”, K. Marx
  “Capital”, K. Marx

• Giordano : Dec 2, 2007 at 1:30 am

  I would love to see a factual list of what is inconsistent in the film. Do you have one? Not just generalizations but actual concrete facts that refute the evidence shown in the film. Got anything like that? Can you be a sport and show us how wrong the film is? You know, besides the quality of the stock footage, though I realize how terribly important that is when presenting facts. Its important, right? Here, I’ll start; How does a 757 (which is huge, I don’t know if you’ve ever seen one) hit the Pentagon, and leave an eighteen foot hole, which is much smaller than the plane, and almost no wreckage? What kind of magical use of rationality can you apply to sort this out for us? Also, why won’t the Pentagon release the surveillance camera footage they confiscated right after the attack? Sure would clear up a whole lot, right buddy? I’m excited to here your fact based response.

• jim : Dec 2, 2007 at 10:38 am

  I am searching for specific information on what the ‘lies’ or inaccuracies in zeitgeist are. Many people tell me the video is full of lies but nobody can specify even one for me. Also, it is more objective to call published work inaccurate. once we have assessed the motives of the publishers we can decide if they are lies or errors. To call them lies so quickly disrupts your credibility as a rational and valid critic. So, can anybody point out any inaccuracies (or lies as the offended christinas like to call them) in part 1? with all the hoopla over this film I thought it would be easier to find a valid and objective critique!

• Denis : Dec 2, 2007 at 11:37 pm

  Anonimus wrote on another forum:Anonymous said…
  Well although this movie has some SCAWY music and some very flashy sounds it is laden with falsities. Uncountable falsities about religion and the origins of man. At NO TIME IN MANS HISTORY was the SOUTHERN CROSS viewable by people above 30 degrees latitude south. Therefore Egyptians and others above the equator or parallel to it would have no knowledge of the southern cross. Horus was a GOD not man and was not crucified at all. In real history Ra is the sun god and later becomes confused with Horus mostly attestable to the greeks. Horus is the god of TWO eyes the MOON and SUN. Hours comes from the Greek HORAE who were goddess of order and later came to mean the progression of time. Horus is not depicted on the Eqyptian hieroglyph in this movie it is the king Akhenaten so that goes out the window. There is a mention of Krishna Attis Dionysus Mithra and others having the same birth dates as Jesus and similar life stories……FALSE. Attis not crucified and was a god not a man, Krishna in the GITA shows his GOD image to Arjuna and this is attestable to the arch angel Michael who is a perfect extension of god. Michael is seen as having many faces and represented as a warrior amongst the arch angels. Exactly what is revealed to arjuna before his epic battle in that portion of the Mahabarata. Krishna was not crucified and was born on the date july 19th he was wounded by an arrow and died. Mohammed is actually listed on a piece of paper that slips by with the name Xaca as also crucified to compound the “reality and gravity” of what is in truth garbage. Mohammed was not born on DEC 25 as were any of the others listed. Mohammed was born on JUNE 8th and died after falling ill as did Xaca which is another was of saying Buddha. The Buddhas mother was MAYA which literally translates to ILLUSION… be wary of false gods and false prophets. The “reclining” Buddha so often heard of comes from his postion at the time of his death after becoming ill. At the time of his death the buddha said dont say that we have no master now….all created things must end. God is Creational not of Creation. Mithra was not Crucified and was not BORN on Dec 25th more rubbish he was a god and is of origin which is obscured by subsequent invasion and redifining of his role as a deity. The SUN as center of the astrological calendar…..am I mistaken or do we view the zodiac from the EARTH…..the sun is not the center of the viewable zodiac the earth is and is depicted as such in many drawings. The mitre started off as a simple low rounded cap and become what it is in modern times and is not some SIGN of the age of pices…that is laughable. SARGON although having similar stories of origin to MOSES is chronicled in the writings of the 7th century Assyrians and therefore much after the time of Moses. Our knowledge of history is limited and so it would seem correct if not put in perspective. Minos is a king and a mythical tyrant nor is ther any correlation to Moses. Now comes an interesting note NEMO is some how related to MOSES in this dung heap of a film NEMO in latin means…. NO MAN or NO ONE…. WHOM is at work here in this film I ask you.

  7/22/2007 4:37 AM
  Anonymous said…
  Evil lies in men and men do evil in the name of good. The inquistion was evil and done by the church and by individual men who have FREE will granted by god because he is loving and gives us many gifts. The past evils of individuals under the name of the church are just that past evils done by MEN who chose to do evil not by Jesus or GOD. Jesus was a rebel and not a slave…..he bucked the system and did not follow it. We are meant to be stewards of the earth and not abuse it, we are meant to live with love… for those that know god know love and those that know love will know god. Not kill one another out of greed.
  The Mark of the Beast described in Revelations chapter 13 is one of the most interesting portions of Bible Prophecy. First here’s the actual verses:
  And [the Antichrist] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
  And that no man might buy or sell, save [except] he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
  Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Rev 13:16-18
  There is truth and lie in this video……beware…..to the detriment of us all if we forget that we are spiritual beings on this physical journey. That we are meant to follow a covenant with god to prevent what is described in Revelations as the NEW WORLD ORDER! George Bush I would never defend. Lies secrecy and scandal abound today. As we travel further from God the world spins ever out of control. Religion is not to enslave but to set you free…..question your government…..why are we killing innocents for profit? Question why the NEW WORLD ORDER is running your life…..Jesus would have. Don’t use falsities and half truths to mar Christianity. If we followed what god hopes for us in the message of Christ Jesus would we be in the trouble we are today……the answer is obvious…..no. The Devil hopes we turn from god but worship the god of finance. Moses warning has returned……we worship the calf again and it stands in the shape of a cast bull on wall street. READ THAT AGAIN. The golden cow has replaced our GOD.

  7/24/2007 11:10 PM
  Anonymous said…
  I must say that all of the comments have a good point to them…My advice would be to keep searching for the truth and it will set you free. Never be stagnant, because once you do, you won’t grow, and when you don’t grow, you die. So many beliefs on how to get to heaven…I just picture people all over the world, jumping and jumping and jumping trying to get to heaven. Some get tired, and they look for comfort on a comfy couch and t.v., and then there are those who search for the truth and keep searching…they are the one’s closest to being with God. There is no end to the truth, it is all that is…And it will take a huge amount of discomfort until we finally are ready…to join in union with the Creator of Light.

• Dave : Dec 4, 2007 at 3:45 am

  I run a similar site, inspired by this one though more explicitly political, and you’re right; a lot of the films that get the most attention are sheer rubbish, sometimes laughable, sometimes sinister.

  However, the 1913 Federal Reserve Act was a very important development in what was once a predominant theme in American politics: the right to issue money (the development of income tax was a side effect, and one that I have difficulty seeing as that sinister).

  The most popular film about it, America: Freedom To Fascism seems to fall into the same category as Zeitgeist (I couldn’t get past the first few minutes of either - fortunately, these films are pretty tedious - but really, doesn’t the title say it all?), but I’d recommend The Money Masters, a less hysterical history of the development of Central Banks in Europe and their struggle to implant themselves in America.

  http://throwawayyourtelescreen.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-money-masters/

• Andrew Zeck : Dec 4, 2007 at 2:44 pm

  So if you couldn’t get through the first few minutes, why do you condemn it without even viewing the entire video?
  I will admit the first part referring to Christianity is the most bias, it seems as if the narrator has a subjective disdain in his voice.
  But the other two parts remain some of the most startling, undeniable facts that are arranged unlike any other argument for a conspiracy theory I have come across. They are based on historical events, facts, and citable sources. Either way, the video challenged my original train/path of thought, therein accomplished its objective and led me to find out knowledge for myself.

• Anonymous : Dec 6, 2007 at 9:09 pm

  Zeitgeist - Offers proof to back up at least most of their points.

  You- Offer none.

  Tell me, then, who should I believe?

• ANONYMUS : Dec 9, 2007 at 4:07 pm

  Its is true…everything based on sheer logic and fact…..maybe the religion part isnt…but the other parts are…..maybe we shud do a more research…rather than throwing slangs….

• fuckyeah : Dec 15, 2007 at 2:17 pm

  I think the bible was a personification of what the egyptians wanted to pass down in history.

  Religion needs to go!
  Science needs to stay!

  Would a world police be so bad?
  Some fucker needs to stop all the injustice and murder being carried out at present around this world!!

  When a woman is buried up to her waist and stoned with smaller stones..For an accusation of adultery???

  Or military might flattens a town because of some stupid reason by people thousands of miles away???

  I didnt realize this world was so cruel when i was younger!!!

  Certain practices within islam is like the west 100 years ago ie; fucking backward slow uneducated murderers (who will be punished by allah)..

  …and the west now murder on a larger scale in a business like manner they are fucking bacward educated murderers (who will be punished by god)..

  Both sides of this ‘holy war’ sicken me to my stomach and makes me not want to even live here on this planet with them…Barbarians.. crooked fucking twats the lot of em…

  Seems the value of human life is at an all time low and someone needs to wake up and do something!!!
  They will probably have their own politica agenda though…and the cycle would continue…

  Fuck America…Fuck Britain…Fuck Islam..
  And if you want to be down with them then fuck you too!!!
  None of these people will be around in the future anyway …Peace will come only from another race because the current lot are a joke!!!!

• fuckyeah : Dec 15, 2007 at 2:33 pm

  Zeitgeist my fucking arse!!
  More conspiricy shit designed to create more hate!!

  We couldnt be more fucked over than we already have been …so who cares if it is based in fact or not??

  Would the us kill 3000 of its own people???
  I hope not, but then they have no problems killing thousands of innocent iraqi women and children..
  ..Who will probably grow up and capture innocent westerners and saw their head off and video tape it!!!

  Niiiice fucking world….
  A world police would be bliss if we could actually find someone to do the job…Who should we pick(like we have a choice)??? Bush?? Blair???Osama???Putin??? F-U-C-K- N-O !!!!!!!!

  THERE IS A NEW WAY OF THINKING
  YOU SHALL SEE….

  Pain.. poverty… injustice… torture …state robbery…
  Fuck em….

  THEY ALL NEED TO GO!!!!!

• fuckyeah : Dec 15, 2007 at 2:57 pm

  At the risk of being greedy I will post again!!!!

  So theres a snake and an apple and the snake talks??
  No hang on thats old testiment..
  So theres this virgin who has a baby??
  No that shit cant be right either..
  This dude is crucified and comes back to life??? WTFK??

  Maybe islam is right…
  So if you kill hundreds of WESTERNERS you will go to heaven an have fifty virgins to suckle upon….??

  Wot the fook???
  Am I the only one here who finds this a little troublesome to process?

  Find a happy place and look after your loved ones..
  Help anyone you can during your day..
  Dont let harm come to another human being..
  Treat women with love and respect…
  Only believe in what is provable by facts..
  Never act on someone elses beliefs…
  Control your bloodthirsty thoughts against others…

  Use your head people, its not rocket salad…

  Using the beautiful religion of Islam to kill will not give you fifty virgins…It aint gonna happen..It might give you fifty red hot pokers up your arse from allah (should he exist)..

  Using lies to create wars will not bring you joy, only a world of shit..Stop making wars wich kill innocent people…

  JUST FUCKING STOP IT….

  There, rant over..

  Sorry for swearing so much..

  Try seeing the good instead of the bad all the time…
  …Well thats not oversimplified is it now?

• Nicky Pizzle : Dec 18, 2007 at 1:44 am

  I just watched the movie, and while everyone is criticizing the movie rather maliciously, I’d like to ask a few questions:

  1. It seems that everywhere I go on the internet, more than 90% or so of the criticism of Zeitgeist is based on the first part of 3, the one regarding religion. Is it not a bigger deal that perhaps (and this is a big perhaps) our country is being unfairly controlled and manipulated without many people being aware, and that the most horrifying event in American history (9/11)may have been fabricated by our own government?

  2. Everyone seems to think that this movie was ABSOLUTE CRAP, but I haven’t heard too many people truly say how or why. What do you critics say of things in the movie such as the Real ID Act, the North American Union, the Amero, the provoking of Pearl Harbor, the sinking of the Lusitania, etc, thing that seem like they could, unfortunately be true?

  I’m not saying this in favor of what the movie suggests (in fact I find that most the citations seem like they were taken out of context), I’m just simply curious as to what you guys have to say on the subject, considering you all seem EXTREMELY intellegent, whereas I’m merely a highschool student.

• Ruth Allan : Dec 19, 2007 at 1:42 pm

  Everything in this world is PERFECT, including our dissatisfaction with it and our desire to change it.
  DISCUSS.
  Likewise;
  TRUTH is a mirror shattererd into thousands of fragments - each man who finds a piece thinks he has the whole.
  And:
  If a pickpocket meets a saint, all he sees are his pockets.
  Finally:
  Sin (pain) is behovely (necessary), but ALL shall be well and all shall be well and all manner of things shall be well.

  And oh yes, something for the scientists.
  EVOLUTION IS THE KEY to understanding what comes next.
  A GRAND UNIFIED THEORY OF EVERYTHING will open everyone’s minds. Space and time are illusions.
  We live in interesting times, ladies and gentleman. Keep your minds wide open to what is happening here - a grand convergence of truth and lies, darkness and light, faith and scepticism.
  You are ALL right! Just keep up the good work.
  And please, if anyone has any idea what I am talking about, I would love to hear from them.

• Recca : Dec 21, 2007 at 8:55 pm

  I really don’t give a fuck if the United States kills whoever they want to kill. All the pussys in this country seem to forget this world is a brutally violent place by nature. This country gives all of you more than you deserve. What could be so bad about giving it to the rest of the world? Our government is is necessary and right and should be implemented throughout the world, period. There is no logical argument against that. Only child-like cries from pussys who would be dead or slaves if they lived anywhere else. As for the religion part, the last time I checked you were allowed to believe whatever you wanted in this country. I thought that solved that problem. War and death are part of life, you don’t just get to be number one. If people would face reality then maybe this country wouldn’t have to lie to you to try to do the right things.

• nick : Jan 5, 2008 at 9:24 am

  I’m gonna have to go ahead and ask:

  Where do you provide me with any information that proves it is bullshit or a lie? All I see is you bitching and moaning because you disagree with it, and, quite possibly, fear what is being said. Come up with some facts, do some research, don’t just sit there and cry because they rained on your parade.

• theblackbay : Jan 5, 2008 at 12:06 pm

  wow Admin, you sound just arrogant enough and just about ignorant enough to try to answer the question I keep posing to people that take the “Federal Reserve What’s the Fuss line”.. you see I never get a satisfactory answer I’ll give examples of answers I get below.

  it involves a little economics here goes:

  1. you need to explain to me (and the forum) why the federal reserve has the right when undertaking and open market operation to charge interest on the issuance of Federal Reserve Currency that is so say to break that down for you, to charge interest on the supply to money as per the Bond system.

  to break that down further for you; do you condone the charging of interest by this essentially non-government organisation on the whole money supply, and then do you condone the payment through tax?

  typical answers I receive:

  your answer: Because they can it’s worked for the last 90+ years.

  nope it hasn’t “work” and it’s not working right now see $100 per barrel oil and gold at earth historical high of $860+, also see jobs growth weak and food prices rising.

  Please answer my question.

  Oh, and the religion yeah, I don’t really care about religion, you can pray to anyone you want I guess the movie was just saying “as long as it doesn’t make you an imbecile along the way.” Because then your imbecile religious idea’s are used to justify imbecile religious related policies that effect other people.

  911 again, think what you want, I think Americans everywhere will look into this event in the future, i’m sure they will sort it out.

• theblackbay : Jan 5, 2008 at 12:22 pm

  How I easily recognize propaganda 101.
  (or just someone looking for a little attention.)

  1. Lack of a critical argument on the oppositions part.
  1. Check

  2. Lack of evidence to the opposing argument.
  2. Check.

  3. Use of “witty” language and often key words so as to appeal to some lets say “less aware” readers’ psychological state.
  3. Check (badly done) but check.

  4. Generalisation or a significant label to appeal to people that think labels are “cool” because of the strong will as a human to be “involved” in a group.

  4. Big Check on this one with the “FEBL” thing, wow even I’m tempted to join the FEBL club so we can hang out and be cool…. (no, I’m not.)

  5. use of language for intensity and the fast paced feel so that a less intelligent reader might not notice that the “critic” poses no critical argument with no evidence to back it up but are just complaining about a movie, “because I’m cool and I don’t like it”.

  5. Check.

• theblackbay : Jan 5, 2008 at 12:26 pm

  Correction: Jan 5, 2008 at 12:06 pm :

  nope it hasn’t “worked” and it’s not working…….
  
  please i’d love an answer.

• Dan : Jan 6, 2008 at 11:22 pm

  I do not see how anybody that thinks logically can believe in any way that an airplane did not hit the Pentagon or crash out in that field. It would have been more convincing if they actually showed interview of the people that supposedly watched the video that the FBI confiscated. Why don’t they talk to the coroner that looked at the bodies and matched up people that were on that airplane? Where did all the people go that boarded that plane? Where did those airplanes go? Were the people in these planes all in on the conspiracy? Were all the people that have radar and watching these planes crash in on the “conspiracy”? Obviously there were people on these planes calling their family members. Are all of the family members in on the “conspiracy”? We can easily check the cell phone records to see where they came from or the radar data to verify where the calls came from. This video does one thing. It shows how many uneducated people we have in this country and how people can be easily influenced by media. Sure, we should all be skeptical, but some of this stuff they present is just crazy.

  I love how they pick on Fox. Hmm, that’s not bias. The movie tells us to not believe the media. Almost all television is slanted liberal except for Fox. This “documentary” was put out there by liberals. I find it funny to believe that they do no want us to tune into their stations. Anybody can start a tv station, radio show, website, etc. in this country if you have the money. Are the powerful elite paying off every person that has access to media? And then, none of those people ever speak out about the people that are not letting them talk or tell the real story…. Get real people, that is impossible. If you have the facts and you can prove them then you have a movie to be made. This fake documentary would be much better if they dug deep into one issue to really prove their point. However, they know if they do this that their “conspiracy” will be shut down.

  All of these conspiracy’s are too funny. They put general assumptions out there but go into such little detail that you can not believe any of it. One thing that this movie did for me was to reinforce the fact that you should do your own research and open your mind. Everybody can benefit from that. So far this documentary has helped me to be a stronger Christian and increase my knowledge in my religion.

  God loves all of you.

• led_belly : Jan 6, 2008 at 11:46 pm

  When I first viewed the movie “Zeitgeist” I was acutely aware that I was engaged in a process and that the movie was not necessarily created as a thing to espouse facts and theories but to present to the viewer a fantastic event. More eyes should be focused on the movie as an event, a koan of sorts, that underneath all of its rhetoric, it is purposefully asking the question, “Is any of this real?”

  Researching the information provided by the movie (which is something we should all do), one enters the world of myriad voices and quotes. Most, I think, are intentionally either misrepresented or presented out of context. I believe this to be an intentional exercise for the masses…

• jnaut : Jan 7, 2008 at 7:53 am

  well said, led_belly. the internet (a manifestation of the US military’s communication network) is an amazing exchange of information, but it makes finding any truth difficult– one is lead to the consistent answer that there is little certainty in anything as doubt can *always* be cast on any topic.

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• Mike : Jan 10, 2008 at 12:19 pm

  Yeah, seriously- you’re providing no strong argument against zeitgeist. Whining and mudslinging don’t get you far in this world, but hey it’s no. 3 most viewed on google video with 4 1/2 stars out of 5 (over 22,000 votes), so they must be doing something right.

  You however have only 53 responses including mine- so you’re not doing such a good job of persuading people..

• kingpin : Jan 11, 2008 at 11:05 am

  its incredible, that were talking about this movie so long after being available, why do you think that this movie is getting popular now?

• bloip : Jan 13, 2008 at 8:57 am

  after a little reading around you cant take this film seriously, i cant be bothered to say why - search for yourself cos im way to busy making a film about how cows are taking over the world

• sidno : Jan 13, 2008 at 12:51 pm

  what i’m most curious about is, what is the point of any of this? what can actually be done here? say every little bit of this film is true… then what? so say you now know horrible truths about what’s going on and can prove it for a fact, what the heck can YOU do? who are you to do anything?

  we’re all small potatoes and why should anyone care what goes on here.. hell, why do i even care. but like i said, i’m curious about what you people think is being accomplished with proving or disproving this film. just to give you peace of mind? shit, i wish something could be done, but unfortunately i lack the super sayin strength needed to be able to do so.

  i’ve already accepted the fact that i’ll die a confused and unsatisfied man, that i’ll never really know what is the supposed truth and even if i did, there would be nothing i could have done about it. don’t get me wrong, i don’t think i’m a weak individual in any sense and therefore think i’m incapable, nor am i trying to insult everyone here. i just can’t help wonder what the general thoughts are of people who stress about conspiracies and whether or not they are true.

  frankly i’m tired of hanging out with ill informed individuals who just go on and on about something that they not only can’t prove nor disprove, BUT even if they knew without any doubt the truth, there isn’t a damn thing they can do about it. good job buddy, you know what’s happening… AND? how about we talk about goals and dreams that are actually attainable?

  want to spend your whole life struggling to understand something that apparently not a single human that has existed has yet to figure out? who exactly do you think you are that you will stumble upon the divine truth to our existence and unlock some hidden door that leads to a promise land where everything makes perfect sense?

  not saying you should just throw down everything and give up, really important you don’t take anything to the extreme. far side of any point is always scary. no, i’m saying live up the grey area and enjoy life. i’m all for the progression of mankind and knowledge, but i’m tired of the speculation of authority and always assuming the worse of every situation. so your leaders are corrupt? let me know when a faultless human who has absolutely no selfish desire is available and we can try to get him into office as soon as possible… not going to happen.

  people need to realize that we are all waaaay more similar than we are dissimilar. doesn’t mean we aren’t all completely unique in some way, but that uniqueness is a small percentage in the alike vs. dislike scale. many leaders throughout history were corrupt in one way or another. that doesn’t mean people with power are bad, just means PEOPLE tend to be this way. every human is selfish and there isn’t a solution to that, just the way we are, putting self as the most important thing in life, which makes perfect sense. now that doesn’t mean we should give in completely to selfish desire, again, don’t go to the extreme. just realize life is no fun all by yourself, so taking your head out of your ass to make sure the people around you are as happy and comfortable as you are will ensure you too will remain that way.

  let people be happy, stop trying to take their joy, unless their joy infringes upon your right to equal joy. but if those such people are not within your reach, think of real solutions or shut the fuck up and don’t worry about it.

  so the question is… assuming any of this film is true, what can YOU do?

  reconsider everything

• Deist : Jan 13, 2008 at 11:09 pm

  Fuck Christianity. Fuck Judaism. Fuck Muslims. More importantly, just fuck.

• Deist : Jan 13, 2008 at 11:20 pm

  Thank you for sharing Zeitgeist with us. i enjoyed it.

• Corbet : Jan 13, 2008 at 11:45 pm

  “…as someone who does not believe in censorship, it is important to make fun of Zeitgeist… ”

  True. I have a heavy heart when I see the popularity of propagandist pseudo-analysis, so I appreciate this comment.

  Jew Banker Republican Pagan God, save us from this movie.

• Leandro : Jan 15, 2008 at 5:31 am

  The admin/author of this article has done a very poor job of standing up for his/her opinions.

  We all have our opinions and it’s how well our opinions stand up in the face of others that gives them value.

  Everything this movie says can’t be true. I think there are many truths that serve the need of having people pull their heads out of their asses and vote for example.

  VOTE!

• Havarti : Jan 17, 2008 at 6:18 am

  I won’t even bother reading the replies… the author of this is easily a hater. Haters just hate not getting recognized for their opinions. So contradicting other opinions.. i.e. (Zeitgeist) is a way of confirming their existence. Make your own movie, write your own book, teach your own class, start your own website.. of your own opinions about life and the lies/truths that are told. YOU are a armchair, armchair. A do nothing that is just another guy yelling out that God will come and punish us all. Basically, you’re just like me. Adding bullshit on top of bullshit with your retarded posts. I see Zeitgeist as great entertainment.. you just try to knock it. I agree with Leandro. You’re just a fucking fuckface dildo. Well, I think that’s what Leandro was alluding to.

• anonymous : Jan 20, 2008 at 7:56 pm

  Here are three things stated in the film as factual beliefs that are not factual beliefs or tenants of Christianity but are actually just church practiced tradition. The whole “Three Kings” argument… the Bible doesn’t teach anything of there being three kings, kings at all, or three anything but gifts. It has been simply practiced as tradition that since there were 3 gifts, gold, frankencense and myhrr, that there were 3 travelers. The entire discertation about the similarities on this level are quantum leaps from Biblical teaching. It is an assumption that there were 3 people who did the traveling. Secondly, the Bible doesn’t teach that these men were even kings. They were “wise men” and (now I will make an assumption) possibly astrologers who noticed what the Bible calls a New star. This was not a normal occurence, as suggested in the film, but a prophesied in scripture occurence that only these men (however many of them there were) noticed. So to start with, the Bible doesn’t teach that there were 3 men, and it doesn’t teach that they were kings. Thirdly and perhaps the most ridiculous of the supposed parrallels between Christianity and the mythical religions, is the whole December 25th birth of Christ idea. This is so ignorant a statement it is hard to believe that it was put into this film which was very thorough and convincing in so many other ways. First off Mary and Joseph were traveling to pay their taxes at the time of Christs birth, and when examining history this taxation most often occurred around the month of August. It is purely tradition that Christmas is celebrated on the 25th and a simple study into facts will show this. These are just 3 areas where this film takes great freedom in trying to tear down Jesus Christ. For all of those looking for a dispute of every claim made in this film, good luck finding it because it very well may take making an entire film. A message board isn’t long enough and most people don’t have the time to take this apart piece by piece. These are 3 pretty blatant errors that are easily researched and proven to be false, but they are not the only ones. Another thing, as a Christian, someone could tell me that my great great great grandfather never existed, but that would not shake the confidence that I have that he did exist. The Bible teaches that Christ lives within us and communes with us. True Christians know God, and God knows them, and the confidence of knowing God is just as real as the confidence of knowing anyone else on this earth for a true Christian. That cannot be explained away or disproving by any type of manipulation of information.

• gickballs : Jan 24, 2008 at 12:22 pm

  Regardless of the authors opinions of this film, it is still important.
  Anything that makes people think about the percieved truths around them is important.

  The subjects raised in The Zeitgeist are all relevant to modern life.

  Religion, regardless of how it is presented in the zeitgeist and how the author of the above piece picks at it, is a load of crap.
  Religions set out rules to control people, make them fearful and the people who control the religions live lives of untold wealth and comfort, whilst the fearful masses below them fund thier lifestyles.

  All religions are poisonous, and the quicker people realise this the better, as it can only lead to a better world for all.

  The 911 conspiracies, well as far as I am concerned, there are no solid facts to support the conspiracies, but then there are also no facts to support the offical story either.
  I think the person who pointed out Chomsky’s views on the subject may have misinterprated what he meant.
  Allow me to expand.
  When you accuse a government of masterminding an event like 911, you are automatically branded a a “conspiracy theorist”, which in the eyes of the masses, automatically discredits your arguments.
  It is clear that the US government gained an awful lot from 911, and that is the most important fact.
  The very fact that people are unreceptive to conspiracies almost make them pointless.
  Let us not forget that Chomsky researches everything thoroughly before commenting.
  This is unusual, as most researchers draw a conclusion after a reasonable amount of research.
  Do you really expect Noam Chomsky to get behind a theory that is still unproven?

  The federal reserve section indeed the most well researched.
  The message that there is no law making Americans pay taxes isn’t there to stop people paying income tax, but rather evaluate how their money is directed by the IRS.
  Saying that everyone should stop paying their taxes in the morning is stupid, and it is not implied in the film.
  Rather, people should examine the system and make sure they’re happy with how it works, and if not do something to change it.

  Overall, this film is only meant to present possible research paths for people to follow.
  It is up to the individual to draw their own conclusion, and pieces like the one above are irritating because they discourage people from making up their own minds on the subject.

  As for anonymous’(above) commenets about the film not stating enough factual evidence to debunk christianity, well my friend you are one to talk.
  Your christian faith and practiced traditions are enough to convince you that your religion is based on truth.
  I’d love to see one piece of solid evidence to prove the authenticity of any religion, unfortunately that evidence is never forthcoming for the simple reason, it doesn’t exist.

  Best of luck with your blind faith, I’ll stick with vigilance or as you may call it “paranoia”.

• admin : Jan 24, 2008 at 1:38 pm

  I’m going to jump in here, since, as with many issues that people react to emotionally, they do not read.

  I believe that for much of its history Christianity has been a dangerous cult, far more dangerous than, say, Scientology.

  That, however, does not mean that if I believe that a film such as Zeitgeist which claims religion is a conspiracy is total, off the charts, loony, crap I somehow am religious.

  In bullet points, for the hard of thinking:

  1. There is a difference between conspiracy which requires massive organization, and delusion which often requires people to do nothing more than behave as usual. Christianity is not some massive conspiracy, like most religions it is a reflection of the way people are. It is an emergent phenomenon rather than being coerced from above, specifically because without a god, everything doesn’t need to come from above.

  In other words, thinking that Christianity is a conspiracy is a religion.

  2. Zeitgeists arguments against Christianity come almost entirely from a single film called ‘The God Who Wasn’t There’. It was linked to on this blog and is worth a look - its pretty good.

  Most of the ’sources’ at the bottom of Zeitgeist, concerning the religious part are the same sources as from The God Who Wasnt There. This could of course be co-incidence, however there is evidence that points to the contrary.

  That evidence is that, like any copy, there are often transcription errors. An example is that a cursory viewing of The God Who Wasn’t there gives the impression that the lives of previous religious figures such as Krishna were more similar to Christ’s than is the case (this is not to say that the notion of Christ is not indeed a version of Kriss).

  An example of a transcription error is the embellishment that a variety of proto Christ figures were born on December 25. This is one of the few points that are different from The God Who Wasn’t There and happens to be false. Not only does it happen to be false, it is ridiculous, since it is impossible to put the birth of Krishna to a day in a Calendar that arose more than a thousand years later with no corroborating data.

  Again, it could be coincidence that one of the few differences between Zeitgeist and The God Who Wasn’t There is less well researched or reasoned. Or it could be that The God Who Wasn’t There Was plagiarized by Zeitgeist’s makers, who were less capable, and therefore prone to less thorough work when producing their own embellishments.

  I could go on, save for one other quick point.

  Federal Reserve/income tax paranoia. This is a cultural thing, almost entirely unique to America (rather like libertarianism). If you haven’t lived outside of America for any period of time then it is less obvious how much of a cultural quirk it is.

  It is culturally interesting that a film which challenges authority, and which in most societies would be associated, therefore, with a left wing cause, doesn’t always, in the US. Zeitgeist has beef with the main source of revenue for the community rather than the individual, the antithesis of a liberal cause in most developed countries, at present.

  The Federal Reserve (which is certainly not a perfect body, but which is also too incompetent to be a conspiracy) is a source of revenue that is protected from sinister government involvement, by virtue of being independent yet is still held accountable by laws requiring it to act in the interests of the people as a whole (a legal requirement to act so as to preserve US employment, for example).

  To think that the Federal Reserve or Christianity are part of a conspiracy assumes that things can’t evolve just because people tend to think in the same way.

  This is the same as thinking that people themselves didn’t evolve and that there needs to be a creator.

  The paranoid vigilance of Zeitgeist is itself an example of blind faith, the blind faith that nothing complicated is self emergent and is therefore created by conspiracy.

• Dennis : Jan 26, 2008 at 2:40 am

  what a stupid post. where is your debunk? loser.

• Renegade : Jan 29, 2008 at 5:05 am

  Didn’t need to see part I to realize the horrors that have been caused because of religion. Evolution happened, the planet is 4.54 billion years old. We evolved from apes. The bible is a nice collection of stories and no doubt people high up in the religious hierarchy definately exploited the masses. Still do today. In the name of religion send me your money. In the name of religion blow your ass off the planet and take a few others with you.

  As far as the 9-11 shit is concerned. A lot of questions come to mind. The pentagon angle from Zeitgeist and loose change and other propaganda films certainly gives one pause for thought. Who were on the planes? Complete passenger lists.

  Buildings fall. Secondary explosions and stuff. Can we not get more information. Is there no more evidence to look at. One thing is for sure Cheney and Bush sure look uncomfortable before the inquiry

  Is Bush’s grandfather really part of the banking cartel dealing with Hitler? Is there a way to find out more information on the Carlisle group? Who and what traded large volumes of shares before 9-11?

  The angle about taxes didn’t score with me. I understand the central bank bullshit but we have to pay taxes to at least some extent. Some things the state has to do or it will not get done….schools, hospitals, roads and other infrastructure.

• terry : Jan 30, 2008 at 2:31 am

  Well, I’m convinced that the movie is worthless, so I will go back to believing that God exists, 9/11 was caused by the Iraq people (who were somehow all from Saudi Arabia) and of course whenever the Fed loans the US money, they somehow get paid back without furthering borrowing from the Fed.
  Can’t wait for the Easter Bunny….
  Oh, anybody catch Bank of America buying out Countrywide Mortgage and controlling more than 10% of US savings - and the US gov. will suspend its usual rules on this (this all came from that commie newspaper, the New York Times).
  Oh, did anybody catch that the Arabs and Chinese are buying up US banks and telecommunications industries? Seems perhaps the next “Zeitgeist” will have to be more global and less US centric.
  Some might suspect the international bankers and friends have cut the ropes with the US and are now truly supranational. Too bad the US is becoming just another commodity to be sold to the highest bidder.
  I’d say, “praise be Allah” but that would offend the Chinese…

• concernedcit : Jan 30, 2008 at 7:43 am

  How is it that I haven’t seen or heard ANYTHING about Zeitgeist in any mainstream media, i.e. news, tv, magazines. Why is this movie and the controversial subjects it discusses being avoided? And in all of the “debunking” I have read, not one actually disproves anything in the movie, but they all swear that it is hogwash. Zeitgeist states that we should not take their word for the truth, but instead should perform our own research and draw our own conclusions. In doing so, I have become even more convinced and concerned with the present state of the world, and I think that is the major reason why this video should be watched by all.

• alex : Jan 30, 2008 at 10:57 am

  the crucifix bit was too much… the romans had been crucifying criminals for ages…

  this is really silly…

• WAKEUP : Jan 31, 2008 at 6:31 pm

  What is silly is not opening your eyes to what is really happening. WAKE UP!

  You say the movie’s a lie, and the movie mentions that 9/11 happened. So you’re denying that 9/11 ever even happened. Well just ask any new yorker and they will tell you that it happen retard. WAKE UP!

  Where’s you’re proof that international bankers aren’t planning secretly to merge the US with Mexico with Canada and destroy our perfect constitution? Show me one ounce of evidence that proves international bankers aren’t controlling our thoughts with aspertame and hip hop. Or that both the republicans and democrats are actually one party run by a council made up of a banker, a rabbi and a scientist that meets once every seventh full moon in the basement of the statue of liberty. You can’t debunk it can you! WAKE UP!

  Why won’t you just believe people of information? You are afraid of information and afraid of the truth. You just can’t handle finding out that every thing you believe in IS A LIE such as you need water to live and animals have feelings! Look it up, it’s all there. DO YOUR RESEARCH on what facts are before you write an opinion piece, dumb ass.

• Free mind : Jan 31, 2008 at 10:23 pm

  Look at what is happening. your all fighting each other when all your focus should be aimed at our government. There is something that is going on that is bigger than you, me, and your beliefs and disbeliefs in religion. Soon you will see that Maslow’s pyrimad of LIFE is true. you will be running for fear of your life and your family’s, disregarding religion and only awake for survival and security. Social acceptance and self esteem will be the least of your worries.. and by that time the only people that will be able to reach the level of self actualization (ability to grow) are the people that are controlling you and this government….. WAKE THE FUK UP!!!!! YOU CAVE MEN!!!!!! WAKE THE FUK UP!!!

  mw

• JJ : Feb 1, 2008 at 9:17 pm

  This article (http://www.investopedia.com/university/thefed/) makes a few claims that are contrary to the sentiment expressed in zeitgeist. Most notably that:

  1. While the Fed is technically a separate entity from the US Government, its chairs are appointed by the president (approved by the senate) and its actions are reviewed by congress.

  2. The profits they make (such as the interest they earn on loaning money to the government) pays for their operational costs and less then 1% of profits goes to share holders in the form of dividends. All profits over those costs are given to the government (roughly 98% of the profits).

  This information is also confirmed in this article with references (and is also a pretty good read on how the system really works): http://www.usagold.com/federalreserve.html

  Also, banks (national and foreign) only own about 1.3% of the national debt. The majority of the national debt is held by the US government by way of programs like Social Security investing in Bonds.

  The Fed works to maintain a steady economy, low unemployment (with the goal of no unemployment) and they regulate the banking industry. Now ask yourself: who would want to convince people through lies and omissions that this is an evil entity run by a shadowy group of extremely rich people that want to destroy the constitution? Could it be people with an interest in having an unregulated banking system, i.e. THE BANKERS?

  Libertarians and the people who are fans of this movie are being lied to and are pawns for the corporate elite.

• Out of America : Feb 1, 2008 at 10:03 pm

  I live outside of America and from most of your postings here you cant seem to look at things intellectually, Stop using things like the definition of conspiracy to justify your point of view. Its Irrelevent to the big picture look at facts, research find your answers you so desperatley want to tell us

• Free Mind : Feb 2, 2008 at 4:36 am

  Anyone that is not living in the USA please do not post anything because your word is worthless… Just like the word of our current president….

• Free mind : Feb 4, 2008 at 10:51 pm

  RE:
  This article (http://www.investopedia.com/university/thefed/) makes a few claims that are contrary to the sentiment expressed in zeitgeist. Most notably that:

  1. While the Fed is technically a separate entity from the US Government, its chairs are appointed by the president (approved by the senate) and its actions are reviewed by congress.

  2. The profits they make (such as the interest they earn on loaning money to the government) pays for their operational costs and less then 1% of profits goes to share holders in the form of dividends. All profits over those costs are given to the government (roughly 98% of the profits).

  This information is also confirmed in this article with references (and is also a pretty good read on how the system really works): http://www.usagold.com/federalreserve.html

  Also, banks (national and foreign) only own about 1.3% of the national debt. The majority of the national debt is held by the US government by way of programs like Social Security investing in Bonds.

  The Fed works to maintain a steady economy, low unemployment (with the goal of no unemployment) and they regulate the banking industry. Now ask yourself: who would want to convince people through lies and omissions that this is an evil entity run by a shadowy group of extremely rich people that want to destroy the constitution? Could it be people with an interest in having an unregulated banking system, i.e. THE BANKERS?

  Libertarians and the people who are fans of this movie are being lied to and are pawns for the corporate elite.
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  1. While the Fed is technically a separate entity from the US Government, its chairs are appointed by the president (approved by the senate) and its actions are reviewed by congress. Which is absolutely bs, because we all know and have seen that it doesn’t matter about who is elected and who is in what chair (president, Congress,Senate) if the higher elite want to vote something in they will do it, with no regard to anyone, and surpass all the required channels its originally suppose to follow. Explain the FED bank how did that happen????

  2. even though if that was true, which i highly doubt, 1 percent of the amount of money we are talking about is a major load of money remember the fed is not only dealing with the USA only… most business exassurate on their tax forms not claiming everything… so what makes you think the Fed Reserve is actually giving you accurate numbers. Technically they are a business to, they are in business to make money correct? So who is Equalizing them??? and if someone is… wouldn’t they try to cut corners to save a larger margin of profits… You are over looking some major points here. Just think about it… How Can they allow a private banking system when our “for fathers” foresaw this, and one said and i quote “I’m more scared of a private banking system, than a standing army”

  Too bad the “Bankers” are the same people that you talk about that are not conspiring… and as I quote “who would want to convince people through lies and omissions that this is an evil entity run by a shadowy group of extremely rich people that want to destroy the constitution? Could it be people with an interest in having an unregulated banking system, i.e. THE BANKERS?”

  Don’t contradict yourself…

  Nice try guy…

• Hole Shot : Feb 12, 2008 at 12:09 am

  These “FEBL” movies are the result of laziness and taking advantage of ignorance. Rather than understand how the world and government works on their own, people soak in these documentaries and take them literally. I mean it’s good that people are curious, but by God, don’t get your education via-youtube!

  I mean are you really going to decide the historical reality of Jesus Christ, the truth behind the death of 3,000 people and lie that is your income tax from a source that also provides you with cute videos of people’s puppies running through the snow, spoofs of David Blaine and Batman & Spider-Man action figures talking to eachother?

  For every point there is a counterpoint and many Zeitgeist’s points (most of which are made with very weak or no citations to back the claims) can be discredited with just a little research. Yes, if this movie has caused you to be a greater critical thinker, that is a good thing. But you’re not being an open minded critical thinker if you thought begins and ends with this movie.

  And this whole Orwellian apocolypse that we’re al going to be drones to the man is BULLSHIT. That’s an excuse for people who fail and rather blame everything but themselvs as to why their lives suck. Sure there are many born into situations in third world countries that can’t escape their reality. However, relating to Americans - my life isn’t being controlled by a few rich white folks. Yours might, because you still live with your parents but I’m pretty much free to earn a living, do what I want within the law and say what I want.

  And guess what? I’m Catholic and I know 9/11 was terrorist attack organized by Al Qaeda. But I will admit sometimes I do scratch my head at how my tax dollars are being spent - that’s why I have no problem saying a big FUCK YOU to the government.

• Hole Shot : Feb 12, 2008 at 12:15 am

  and one more thing! If Zeitgeist sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo groovy, where was it in exploing the biggest conspiracy of the 21st century? The New England Patriots! HUH?!?!? WOOT!!!

  GO CHARGERS!

• R Christopher : Mar 18, 2008 at 7:37 am

  Would like to exchange links with you re: the anti-Christian movie, Zeitgeist. Have done so with others. I think you will appreciate the fact that I have specifically addressed each and every claim made by the author(s) of Zeitgeist. Please take a look and let me know. ron

  web site = http:/www.zeitgeistresponse.info/

• Terran 6.59 : Apr 7, 2008 at 5:05 am

  Ok has anyone addressed the point of if it is a big FEBL, why tolerate it or as a sentient being just create another one? I could care less if your or my ancestors spent their lives building this system. It blows. And WTF, if it is a big lie and some of you accept it, and they churchs and goverments all know it, then it is a freaking conspiracy! They are weak men, living the fantasy of your anestors. Kind of like people today recreating earth human simulated reality games but they take into an INFINTIE ENVIRONMENT where the imagination knows no bounds the human market. You have to earn pixel gold to buy more pixels. You have effectively shown a lack of imagination and spoiled the infinite with restrictions that match your life. Your all cavemen trapped in ancient Rome wearing iPods thinkin your the be all and end all to civilization when most of you just got here and someone in the past has already lived and experienced everything you think is new, except they didnt have nice cars and they knew ancient astronomy and how to farm and how to take real pain and suffering. Real men teach other men to fish, they dont sell them fish and tax them, then teach their kids to be good little worker bees. If you dont teach my kid ethics, CPR, medicine, construction, philosophy, farming, fishing, solar/wind energy, survival skills, yoga, tai chi or any martial art in your curriculum, right from kindergarten. Then dont waste my time with what you call Society. Build an Atlantian Utopia humans, or STFU.

• Conor : Apr 7, 2008 at 10:54 pm

  Just for fun, a conspiracy about the conspiracy nuts of Zeitgeist.

  This isn’t a FEBL movie as much as a mish-mash of other FEBL movies to bring others around to a libertarian way of thinking. The mish-mash is The God Who Wasn’t There, Loose Change, Fahrenheit 9/11 and a few others. This movie is an attempt to subvert the interest others have in these films to another cause (as admin pointed out, a libertarian one).

  The only “original” content not in these other FEBL movies is the suggestion that the banks are taking over the world and there will be a world government. This is a spin on the classic libertarian paranoia trap with some kind of socialist world government (spawned form either the UN, the EU, Monopolistic Industrialists or some reformation of the Soviet Bloc) that controls the banks and the financial system. Not only that, they’re paying money directly to them in the form of taxes!

  What they’re really upset about is that they they aren’t free to make as much money as possible to support their own dreams of flying into space and driving fast cars (or flying a fast car into space). The idea that someone might take a dime of their “hard earned money” and do something they don’t like with it (i.e. spend it on someone else) or that someone has more power and money than they can ever hope to have and that isn’t fair.

  In other cultures we usually call them sociopaths. These particular sociopaths are jealous that someone is richer than they are. They’re also kind of pissed off that they originally supported some wars only to find out they were hood-winked (and worse that those damn lefty-pinko types were right!).

  Unable to win their arguments with blogs, posts on slashdot and support for Ron Paul, they’ve decided to subvert the other side (those damn lefty-pinko socialist types that were right about the war!). They’ve done this by taking a bunch of movies that those damn lefty-pinko socialist types like, mashing them together and then tacking on the libertarian end game as the logical extension.

  Touche.

• Simpleton : Apr 11, 2008 at 2:45 am

  In case anyone didn’t hear about the supposed massive protest that’s supposed to take place on April 15th, 2008, there it is. It’s supposed to involve millions of people attempting to deface the IRS and Federal Reserve through means of this said massive protest also not showing up for work, not spending money, ditching school etc. If any such event does happen, I believe a good part of it is owed to that damn movie.

  This goes to prove the post at the very top, in the fact that these movies are dangerous, as they have almost brought the 1960’s back and aside from all the sex and drugs, I don’t think many people want that.

• Aziz : Apr 11, 2008 at 12:22 pm

  “ZEITGEIST, Part 1″ Debunked? NOT!

  “…When the subject matter is examined scientifically and in depth, there continues to be no credible evidence for the existence of the gospel character named Jesus Christ, and the preponderance of scientific evidence points to him being as mythical a character as the Greek god Hercules and the many other deities of the Roman Empire of the time.

  While people who take such a position are widely subjected to ridicule and derision, based on all the evidence this conclusion is demonstrably the most reasonable and logical. Furthermore, in a truthful world where we should not be compelled to reside in BLIND BELIEF, this perspective should be allowed to exist without its holders being derogated and abused, as well as dunned with impossibly high standards of proof, while claims in the religious arena require little to no proof at all! ”

  http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2008/04/zeitgeist-refuted-not.html

  “The Companion Guide to ZEITGEIST Part 1″ E-Book
  http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/zeitgeist.html

  Zeitgeist part 1 video toward the bottom - http://www.truthbeknown.com/videos.html

  Pass it around

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• asdf : Apr 13, 2008 at 8:28 am

  first off, everyone do your own research and dont accept as fact anything that you dont feel comfortable with. second, whether or not the movie is factual doesnt matter. the overall goal of movies like this is to destroy the old religions in order to bring in the new one world religion. these ‘controllers’ know that we know about them, and they know that people are going to figure out their old scams. so they come up with new ones at the same time as the old ones are brought down. look deeper than the surface!

• eatsnails : Apr 15, 2008 at 6:29 am

  After seeing the movie, I just search for “Zeitgeist lie”, to see if anyone could stat me some relevant arguments. Well thank you, by your ridiculous and insolting comments, on a extremly great work, I more than ever support the ideas presented by zeitgeist. I just hope more people will start thinking out of the box giving to them by birth bby the society we live in.

• someguy : Apr 15, 2008 at 3:03 pm

  I have a few things to say about this movie.
  1) It pisses me off when someone makes a “documentary” and fills it up with lies and truths mixed together. But they do tell you at the beginning:
  “The more you educate yourself, the more you understand where things come from - the more obvious things become and you begin to see lies everywhere.”
  “You have to know the truth and seek the truth
  and the truth will set you free”

  So don’t say they didn’t warn you.

  2) There is plenty of information pro and against the arguments of the movie, you can find a whole lot online. However I do think the message, away from all the sensationalism, is a good one. Only when we are able to find what connects us to each other then we will be able to find peace in this world. Separatism, Nationalism and Racism are the cause of most of human suffering in the history of our world.

  3) I am concern that some people are going to go crazy and stop paying their taxes. Whether the system is fair or not, please be advised that you can actually go to prison if you don’t pay your taxes and there is plenty of court cases that disprove the claims in the movie that the income tax is 1. unconstitutional and 2. was not ratified by enough states, just look at wikipedia to start
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_constitutional_arguments#Sixteenth_Amendment_ratification_arguments

  That’s all.. peace my brothers and sisters.

• R Christopher : Apr 18, 2008 at 5:16 am

  Still hoping to exchange links with you. Check out my stuff and let me know http://www.zeitgeistresponse.info/ Thanks, ron

• Kevin : Apr 21, 2008 at 7:40 pm

  Why does everyone want to dismiss this video just because it’s a “conspiracy theory”? You want a conspiracy theory, how about this. 19 men living in caves fly planes to the other side of the world, find a way to get onto 4 different American flights without their names ever showing up on the flight records, somehow are able to get boxcutters through metal detectors and onto the planes, hijack all four planes and fly in circles for almost an hour each without the most sophisticated air defense system in the world (NORAD) catching them, and then hit 3 out of 4 targets. Then the two most structural sound buildings on Earth, both hit by planes, somehow fall at freefall speed through concrete floors after burning for just a few hours. Then on top of that the plane that hit the Pentagon somehow vaporized upon impact from burning jet fuel, even though jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt the titanium alloy engines attached to it.

  Wake up you morons. We have already publicly proven that the government had intelligence of emminent attacks on these targets months before they occured and chose not to react. In fact, our own government officials were eating breakfast and lunch with relatives of Bin Laden and one of the funders of Mohammed Attah. If you are going to disprove a documentary that is simply trying to tell you that things are not what they seem and everything should be questioned, then at least provide some solid evidence to support your claim first.

• Kaye