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• Jim : Nov 8, 2007 at 10:17 pm

  David, you are a genius. The FEBL school of filmmaking is a genre so full of stock images and characters that you might as well sell a FEBL plug-in for Final Cut Pro.

  Of the stock characters, you left out Nostradamus, the NY Times, and everyone’s new Irrational Bad Guys, the Iranians!

  Among the auteurs in this genre, could you include Michael Moore, king of the hasty generalization? Just because one might agree with his politics does not mean his rhetorical methods hold up to scrutiny.

  And speaking of rhetoric, it’s not “begging the question” it’s “raising the question”.

• admin : Nov 8, 2007 at 10:33 pm

  Ah, that answers a question that was ‘raised’, by the phrase begging the question.

  Similarly illogical is the phrase – the exception that proves the rule, which is based upon the fact that the word ‘prove’ originally meant to test.

• jason : Nov 8, 2007 at 11:57 pm

  i like to call these IAC movies (It’s All Connected, as in the line Nic Cage delivers in trailers for those movies he does about Abe Lincoln killing Jesus with the Constitution or whatever). there’s an understandable desire for everything that sucks in the world to be the fault of a single entity, because facing the fact that everything that sucks does so of its own volition means there’s no way to topple it all at once.

  Zeitgeist is an especially hilarious IAC/FEBL movie, but what’s so American about the income tax?

• David : Nov 8, 2007 at 11:59 pm

  This is the best description I have read for this over-rated movie.

• admin : Nov 9, 2007 at 12:17 am

  @jason.

  Without a Federal tax, there would only be local taxes, and therefore the US would be a notional grouping like the EU, rather than a country.

  Of course you could argue that there would still be a constitution that defines the US. But since core values such as who can have sex, how and where, whether people can be executed etc. vary state to state, I would argue, rather controversially, that the constitution is ironically rather FEBL compared to the tangible nature of hard cash.

• ashley johnston : Nov 9, 2007 at 6:24 am

  I probably wouldn’t have wanted to watch this were it not for your commentary. I’ll tell you if I agree…

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• fog cutter : Nov 9, 2007 at 6:00 pm

  With all due respect, your refuting of this film is not based on any information presented in the film. Your reaction is representative of your fears and your inability to believe something other than what you have believed all your life. I was the same way.

  When mentioning Prt 1 (which basically reminds us, in historical detail, that organized religion is the ultimate tool for social control and devastation –not to mention the BIGGEST lie going, you simply acquiesce by saying “Fair enough except for the plagiarizing”. Fair enough? This section depicts organized religion to be an absolute fraud and you accept it, no problem? Can there be a bigger revelation in this world of blind worship? But you note the plagiarizing as the problem spot. The determinant point is the presentation of facts and ideas that do not jive with conventional beliefs, not the way the sources are utilized. That’s a giveaway in regards to your fear of treading any further. (By the way, if you visit the site of the film you will see for yourself the thorough approach undertaken in preparing and presenting this film. Corrections, sources, quotes, references are all listed. Zero deception. The makers of this film must be commended on the approach taken.)

  I am quite surprised that documentary fans and inquisitive minds would so easily dismiss such a film.

  With all due respect, your reaction is quite normal. I was incredibly sceptical of all people or “information’ that questioned conventional wisdom regarding “the truth” for many years.

  9/11 changed all that.

  I can see clearly now.

  We’re in this together.

• admin : Nov 9, 2007 at 7:49 pm

  Oh brother. “Mom… I caught one”.

  Yup, religion is not real and I accept that, no problem. I don’t need a documentary with a source list shorter than a high school term paper or to have be convinced that its all a deliberate conspiracy.

  Religion is not a conspiracy but a fictional story that people want to believe, rather like, hmm lets see – 911 Illuminati conspiracy theories.

  Massive conspiracies are too difficult to organize, people just happen to think the same. If you leave people alone they’ll create their own bondage either actively or passively, but by acting naturally. Even if people do plot to oppress on a massive scale and even if they are occasionally successful in their conspiracies, their fruits will necessarily always be in the minority compared to the pool of self-evolved enslavement through paranoia or like minded thinking.

  By viewing everything from a teleological standpoint you have merely swapped one irrational belief for another. The difference however is that the irrational belief of the Christians has the redeeming accoutrements of Bernini, Borromini and Bach, rather than the son et lumiere extravaganza of a bad rave in Goa.

  I have heard, however, that trying to dig out the microchip that the spooks plant in your head has the added side effect of a lobotomy.

• martin : Nov 12, 2007 at 6:33 pm

  At frame reference 22:39 a Bible is shown. It seems to be written in Irish if I’m not mistaken. Am I? Did anyone else pick up on this?

• admin : Nov 12, 2007 at 7:21 pm

  Yes, its part of a massive Irish conspiracy.

• Kevin : Nov 15, 2007 at 7:46 pm

  I haven’t watched the movie, but I do know this about the Federal Reserve — we didn’t have or need an income tax until it came into effect. Also, the Federal Reserve is a conglomeration of private banks — it’s essentially a private company that sets the value of our money and prints it. The Federal Reserve, because it’s a private institution, can and does charge our government interest on the money it prints for the US. The income tax doesn’t actually go to pay any gov’t service — it merely goes to the Federal Reserve to pay the interest on the money it prints and creates and gives to our gov’t to run.

  What does all that mean? It means that we’re paying someone to do the job the gov’t used to do on its own. We don’t need the Federal Reserve — we need a truly federal equivalent that won’t charge our country interest… and thereby drop the need for an income tax.

• Mike : Nov 15, 2007 at 7:49 pm

  I think the tricky is spooky music. When you are watching a documentary and you hear spooky music, it’s a good sign that you’re about to be fed a heaping shovel of horse crap. Something about it seems to disable the bullshit detectors of the intellectually feeble.

• Ficke : Nov 15, 2007 at 8:42 pm

  My secret wish is that 5,10,20 years from now we come to find out that all this 9/11 conspiracy hogwash was actually orchestrated by the CIA for some weird purpose and all these loony birds turn out to be pawns of very groups they claim to have such insight about. The irony would be exquisite.

• Levin : Nov 15, 2007 at 9:12 pm

  Ok. So what facts exactly are wrong in Zeitgeist? You’re basicly just saying it’s bullshit without proving it.

• Yet Another Mike : Nov 15, 2007 at 9:33 pm

  I can see two major flaws with “Zeitgeist”:

  1) “Zeitgeist” is to Christianity as “O Brother, Where Art Thou” is to Homer’s Odyssey. Possibly linking biblical and astrological mythologies does nothing to establish the credibility of either: Alison Kraus songs do not prove (or disprove) that Homer was tempted by Sirens.

  2) I strongly suspect, that like “The Bible Code”, it is possible to select a subset of bible information to “prove” damn near any theorem. I’d like to see what the Flying Spaghetti Monster people could do in their version of “Zeitgeist”.

• admin : Nov 15, 2007 at 9:53 pm

  “I’d like to see what the Flying Spaghetti Monster people could do in their version of ‘Zeitgeist’”

  What a great idea.

• Yet Another Mike : Nov 15, 2007 at 9:53 pm

  Oh, yeah, and that whole “son”/”sun” thing. Brilliantly discussed at the end of Star Trek “Bread and Circuses” by men in t-shirts and high-water pants.

  In Hebrew, sun sounds something like “shemesh”, and son sounds something like “ben”.

• admin : Nov 15, 2007 at 10:10 pm

  @Kevin

  1. Imagine Banking run by the DMV, that is why the Fed Reserve system works.

  2. Do you seriously think that income tax pays the federal reserve interest outside of government expenditure, and that the army, navy, coast guard, air force, medicare, education etc. are free? Have a look at the history of the 100 Years War.

  2. I have no opinion about this one way or the other, but you can be anti Federal Taxes, or a Nationalist American, or neither, but you cannot be both. There are no real countries without taxes. The anti-federal tax meme is a unique cultural quirk based upon ideology rather than reality.

• Dan : Nov 16, 2007 at 12:58 am

  Awesome breakdown. I’ve always thought of these types as going halfway through the thought process and hanging on where it’s most exiting/intense to stall.

  Like refusing to get off a roller coaster for love of the excitement.

• Chewbee : Nov 16, 2007 at 3:10 am

  You bash it without being convincing. This is preaching to the choir or, in today’s slang, blogging.

• dio : Nov 16, 2007 at 3:23 am

  this wasn’t nearly as amusing as Loose Change, or as big a lie.

• c1ph4 : Nov 16, 2007 at 1:27 pm

  you suck and your comment too. this movie is one of the best alternative independent documentations you will ever see. even when 100% of the information therein would be a lie, you would still find a lot of truth in it.

  you better stop eating shit and dick-cookies, cause that’s what you did and you are in serious problems, moron.

  your comment does not contain any content at all, as it is just a whack summary of the chapters. and you are not even a bit convincing.

  go to hell, stupid fuck.

• Alexandre : Nov 17, 2007 at 9:11 am

  Hello,

  I would like to read some serious discussion about all of this, after all, i think these are very important issues. I would like to see a real list of what’s wrong in the movie, what big lies are in it, a refutation of it. And that doesn’t seem to be the case in tour commentary. I’m in the middle of the film right now and it does seem to make sense up to now, somewhat more than your comment, but maybe it’s me… Maybe i like conspiracy teories and am drawn to them, or maybe there’s some truth in there. I would like really for someone to take zietgeist piece by piece and explain in it what is true and what is not. I think that that would be a real service to us all. And that should be done for every, as ou call them, Entertaining Big Lie. Knowledge does set you free.

• Dave M : Nov 25, 2007 at 1:33 am

  The U.S. wasn’t a country before WWI? Tarrifs are all local?

• grazy : Nov 26, 2007 at 10:22 pm

  Well done fog cutter! An intellegent open mined rebuttle.

  Draw your own truth from everything you see and hear!

  Just accept that a rich and powerfull minority control most of what you see.
  That minority has you listed, filed and documented.
  Your birth, your genes your earings and then your death.
  Then consider this! Our countries are governed by lying cheating politicians, tey lie to us everyday!

  Wake up

• grazy : Nov 26, 2007 at 10:29 pm

  *earnings*

• Cole Skinner : Nov 28, 2007 at 8:03 am

  This is coming from a Christian who thinks that the truth – even if it turns out to be something other than Christianity – is the most important pursuit. And I believe I’m open to hearing just about anything on the subject of religion – and if something comes along to convince me that my ideas on God are either in need of scrapping altogether or rethinking, then so be it. It would be hard to take, but not nearly as hard as believing in a lie.

  But there really is no excuse for the poor scholarship that is Zeitgeist . I’ll watch any film and entertain any ideas that I think are worth the time, but Zeitgeist should be a disappointment to anyone – Christian, atheist, Muslim, or Martian – who is looking to explore the subject.

  Most of the similarities between Christianity and the ‘mystery’ religions simply don’t exist at all – they’re completely fabricated. The few parallels that can even be entertained exist only through giant – and I mean giant – leaps of interpretation by the filmakers.

  Any remaining similarities that are even somewhat credible don’t take into account that most of the actual source material for our knowledge of the ‘mystery’ religions was created (or recreated, rewritten) years after the earliest known New Testament writings, suggesting that the ‘mystery’ religions were actually revamped to copy the successful stories of Christianity, not the other way around.

  The suggestion that Christ only existed as an allegory of some sort is pretty ludicrous. Even the most hardcore skeptics generally agree that the historical record – both first-hand accounts from people of the faith as well as accounts from non-believers who lived at the same time as Christ – are more numerous and detailed than perhaps any other record of any other prominent historical figure within several hundred years of Christ’s time on earth. It is one argument to doubt Christ’s divinity, but it’s wishful thinking to pretend that He didn’t exist at all.

  As for those of you who have commented something to the effect that you agree with the film’s basic premise, that religion is for the birds, I wonder why you think this way. Countless stories of corruption hasn’t lessened our belief that a decent government is possible, or even that some people in government can be decent within a corrupt apparatus. I would suggest that the Falwells and Robertsons of the world, the pedophile priests, in no way represent the actual tenants of the faith. God gave us free will, and some have chosen to exercise that free will in terrible ways.

  This shouldn’t keep each of us from looking for the truth. I’d refer you to C.S. Lewis’ “Mere Christianity” or to Thomas Merton’s “No Man Is An Island”, if you want to read the thoughts of some incredibly open-minded men who have come to Christianity not because they were brought up that way, or because they were too ignorant to know any better, but because they have searched and educated themselves, and Christianity seemed to them to be the faith that made sense.

  I imagine I should also refer you to The Bible itself, specifically the Sermon on The Mount in Matthew. To me, the words of Christ are most powerful in these passages – His exhortations are so unnatural to our usual inclinations, and yet have such authority, and ring so clearly true, that they seem unlikely to be from the mouth of someone seeking power or personal gain. I think after reading these passages you have to begin to wonder just who this man was and what his agenda might really be.

  Thanks for reading all of this, didn’t mean to post a novel here!

  Cole

• Michael James : Nov 30, 2007 at 9:43 pm

  Noah’s ark? Parting of the red sea? Fruit of knowledge? 5 horsemen? Simple tales and spooky stories meant to scare primitive people into believing in a system designed to control a populace. Religion has no business in today’s modern world, we have the ability to scientifically analyze things in these days and times. There is no reasonable, logical person who can honestly look at the fairy tales in the bible and believe them to be fact. How can u be so blind to reality, unless of course you can’t comprehend that there is no purpose to life besides to follow our genetic need to reproduce, which we aquired over years of “EVOLUTION”.

• pirsan rako : Dec 1, 2007 at 7:27 am

  You apparently don’t know anything!! You are just one of those who thinks he knows everything but the truth is that in this world the 3 richest have the same money as 48 countries together!!
  The 200 richest people in the world saw in the last year an increase of their wealth of about 10000 Euro per second!
  Each year in the world the following expenses are performed:
  17 Billion $ to food for pets in Europe!
  35 Billion $ to entertainment of Japanese managers!
  100 Billion $ to alcohol-consumption!
  400 Billion $ to drugs-use!
  700 Billion $ to weapons!
  1000 Billion $ to advertisement and publicity!

  Compare these with fact that 1.3 Billion people in the world live with less than 1$ a day and more than 3 Billion with less than 2$ a day!
  We only need 40 Billion $ to get rid of the worst types of poverty!
  Or just 6 Billion $ to give the whole world education!
  why? because In this system the human value doesn’t play a role, it’s only the economic value, which is important and who are the elite with these huge amount of money? People like Rockefeller, Rothschilds, etc.. and they simply don’t give a shit about people and they don’t want people to know the truth about capitalism! and the result is people like YOU, who have such a big wall in front of them that they can not see further. But NO This can change my friend, READ, please read!
  “Elementary principles of philosophy”, Georges Politzer
  “Science in History”, John D. Bernall
  “Origin of Species”, Charles Darwin
  “Amazing, amazing universe, but knowable”, V.S. Gott
  “Estranged Labour”, K. Marx
  “Capital”, K. Marx

• Giordano : Dec 2, 2007 at 1:30 am

  I would love to see a factual list of what is inconsistent in the film. Do you have one? Not just generalizations but actual concrete facts that refute the evidence shown in the film. Got anything like that? Can you be a sport and show us how wrong the film is? You know, besides the quality of the stock footage, though I realize how terribly important that is when presenting facts. Its important, right? Here, I’ll start; How does a 757 (which is huge, I don’t know if you’ve ever seen one) hit the Pentagon, and leave an eighteen foot hole, which is much smaller than the plane, and almost no wreckage? What kind of magical use of rationality can you apply to sort this out for us? Also, why won’t the Pentagon release the surveillance camera footage they confiscated right after the attack? Sure would clear up a whole lot, right buddy? I’m excited to here your fact based response.

• jim : Dec 2, 2007 at 10:38 am

  I am searching for specific information on what the ‘lies’ or inaccuracies in zeitgeist are. Many people tell me the video is full of lies but nobody can specify even one for me. Also, it is more objective to call published work inaccurate. once we have assessed the motives of the publishers we can decide if they are lies or errors. To call them lies so quickly disrupts your credibility as a rational and valid critic. So, can anybody point out any inaccuracies (or lies as the offended christinas like to call them) in part 1? with all the hoopla over this film I thought it would be easier to find a valid and objective critique!

• Denis : Dec 2, 2007 at 11:37 pm

  Anonimus wrote on another forum:Anonymous said…
  Well although this movie has some SCAWY music and some very flashy sounds it is laden with falsities. Uncountable falsities about religion and the origins of man. At NO TIME IN MANS HISTORY was the SOUTHERN CROSS viewable by people above 30 degrees latitude south. Therefore Egyptians and others above the equator or parallel to it would have no knowledge of the southern cross. Horus was a GOD not man and was not crucified at all. In real history Ra is the sun god and later becomes confused with Horus mostly attestable to the greeks. Horus is the god of TWO eyes the MOON and SUN. Hours comes from the Greek HORAE who were goddess of order and later came to mean the progression of time. Horus is not depicted on the Eqyptian hieroglyph in this movie it is the king Akhenaten so that goes out the window. There is a mention of Krishna Attis Dionysus Mithra and others having the same birth dates as Jesus and similar life stories……FALSE. Attis not crucified and was a god not a man, Krishna in the GITA shows his GOD image to Arjuna and this is attestable to the arch angel Michael who is a perfect extension of god. Michael is seen as having many faces and represented as a warrior amongst the arch angels. Exactly what is revealed to arjuna before his epic battle in that portion of the Mahabarata. Krishna was not crucified and was born on the date july 19th he was wounded by an arrow and died. Mohammed is actually listed on a piece of paper that slips by with the name Xaca as also crucified to compound the “reality and gravity” of what is in truth garbage. Mohammed was not born on DEC 25 as were any of the others listed. Mohammed was born on JUNE 8th and died after falling ill as did Xaca which is another was of saying Buddha. The Buddhas mother was MAYA which literally translates to ILLUSION… be wary of false gods and false prophets. The “reclining” Buddha so often heard of comes from his postion at the time of his death after becoming ill. At the time of his death the buddha said dont say that we have no master now….all created things must end. God is Creational not of Creation. Mithra was not Crucified and was not BORN on Dec 25th more rubbish he was a god and is of origin which is obscured by subsequent invasion and redifining of his role as a deity. The SUN as center of the astrological calendar…..am I mistaken or do we view the zodiac from the EARTH…..the sun is not the center of the viewable zodiac the earth is and is depicted as such in many drawings. The mitre started off as a simple low rounded cap and become what it is in modern times and is not some SIGN of the age of pices…that is laughable. SARGON although having similar stories of origin to MOSES is chronicled in the writings of the 7th century Assyrians and therefore much after the time of Moses. Our knowledge of history is limited and so it would seem correct if not put in perspective. Minos is a king and a mythical tyrant nor is ther any correlation to Moses. Now comes an interesting note NEMO is some how related to MOSES in this dung heap of a film NEMO in latin means…. NO MAN or NO ONE…. WHOM is at work here in this film I ask you.

  7/22/2007 4:37 AM
  Anonymous said…
  Evil lies in men and men do evil in the name of good. The inquistion was evil and done by the church and by individual men who have FREE will granted by god because he is loving and gives us many gifts. The past evils of individuals under the name of the church are just that past evils done by MEN who chose to do evil not by Jesus or GOD. Jesus was a rebel and not a slave…..he bucked the system and did not follow it. We are meant to be stewards of the earth and not abuse it, we are meant to live with love… for those that know god know love and those that know love will know god. Not kill one another out of greed.
  The Mark of the Beast described in Revelations chapter 13 is one of the most interesting portions of Bible Prophecy. First here’s the actual verses:
  And [the Antichrist] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
  And that no man might buy or sell, save [except] he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
  Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Rev 13:16-18
  There is truth and lie in this video……beware…..to the detriment of us all if we forget that we are spiritual beings on this physical journey. That we are meant to follow a covenant with god to prevent what is described in Revelations as the NEW WORLD ORDER! George Bush I would never defend. Lies secrecy and scandal abound today. As we travel further from God the world spins ever out of control. Religion is not to enslave but to set you free…..question your government…..why are we killing innocents for profit? Question why the NEW WORLD ORDER is running your life…..Jesus would have. Don’t use falsities and half truths to mar Christianity. If we followed what god hopes for us in the message of Christ Jesus would we be in the trouble we are today……the answer is obvious…..no. The Devil hopes we turn from god but worship the god of finance. Moses warning has returned……we worship the calf again and it stands in the shape of a cast bull on wall street. READ THAT AGAIN. The golden cow has replaced our GOD.

  7/24/2007 11:10 PM
  Anonymous said…
  I must say that all of the comments have a good point to them…My advice would be to keep searching for the truth and it will set you free. Never be stagnant, because once you do, you won’t grow, and when you don’t grow, you die. So many beliefs on how to get to heaven…I just picture people all over the world, jumping and jumping and jumping trying to get to heaven. Some get tired, and they look for comfort on a comfy couch and t.v., and then there are those who search for the truth and keep searching…they are the one’s closest to being with God. There is no end to the truth, it is all that is…And it will take a huge amount of discomfort until we finally are ready…to join in union with the Creator of Light.

• Dave : Dec 4, 2007 at 3:45 am

  I run a similar site, inspired by this one though more explicitly political, and you’re right; a lot of the films that get the most attention are sheer rubbish, sometimes laughable, sometimes sinister.

  However, the 1913 Federal Reserve Act was a very important development in what was once a predominant theme in American politics: the right to issue money (the development of income tax was a side effect, and one that I have difficulty seeing as that sinister).

  The most popular film about it, America: Freedom To Fascism seems to fall into the same category as Zeitgeist (I couldn’t get past the first few minutes of either – fortunately, these films are pretty tedious – but really, doesn’t the title say it all?), but I’d recommend The Money Masters, a less hysterical history of the development of Central Banks in Europe and their struggle to implant themselves in America.

  http://throwawayyourtelescreen.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-money-masters/

• Andrew Zeck : Dec 4, 2007 at 2:44 pm

  So if you couldn’t get through the first few minutes, why do you condemn it without even viewing the entire video?
  I will admit the first part referring to Christianity is the most bias, it seems as if the narrator has a subjective disdain in his voice.
  But the other two parts remain some of the most startling, undeniable facts that are arranged unlike any other argument for a conspiracy theory I have come across. They are based on historical events, facts, and citable sources. Either way, the video challenged my original train/path of thought, therein accomplished its objective and led me to find out knowledge for myself.

• Anonymous : Dec 6, 2007 at 9:09 pm

  Zeitgeist – Offers proof to back up at least most of their points.

  You- Offer none.

  Tell me, then, who should I believe?

• ANONYMUS : Dec 9, 2007 at 4:07 pm

  Its is true…everything based on sheer logic and fact…..maybe the religion part isnt…but the other parts are…..maybe we shud do a more research…rather than throwing slangs….

• fuckyeah : Dec 15, 2007 at 2:17 pm

  I think the bible was a personification of what the egyptians wanted to pass down in history.

  Religion needs to go!
  Science needs to stay!

  Would a world police be so bad?
  Some fucker needs to stop all the injustice and murder being carried out at present around this world!!

  When a woman is buried up to her waist and stoned with smaller stones..For an accusation of adultery???

  Or military might flattens a town because of some stupid reason by people thousands of miles away???

  I didnt realize this world was so cruel when i was younger!!!

  Certain practices within islam is like the west 100 years ago ie; fucking backward slow uneducated murderers (who will be punished by allah)..

  …and the west now murder on a larger scale in a business like manner they are fucking bacward educated murderers (who will be punished by god)..

  Both sides of this ‘holy war’ sicken me to my stomach and makes me not want to even live here on this planet with them…Barbarians.. crooked fucking twats the lot of em…

  Seems the value of human life is at an all time low and someone needs to wake up and do something!!!
  They will probably have their own politica agenda though…and the cycle would continue…

  Fuck America…Fuck Britain…Fuck Islam..
  And if you want to be down with them then fuck you too!!!
  None of these people will be around in the future anyway …Peace will come only from another race because the current lot are a joke!!!!

• fuckyeah : Dec 15, 2007 at 2:33 pm

  Zeitgeist my fucking arse!!
  More conspiricy shit designed to create more hate!!

  We couldnt be more fucked over than we already have been …so who cares if it is based in fact or not??

  Would the us kill 3000 of its own people???
  I hope not, but then they have no problems killing thousands of innocent iraqi women and children..
  ..Who will probably grow up and capture innocent westerners and saw their head off and video tape it!!!

  Niiiice fucking world….
  A world police would be bliss if we could actually find someone to do the job…Who should we pick(like we have a choice)??? Bush?? Blair???Osama???Putin??? F-U-C-K- N-O !!!!!!!!

  THERE IS A NEW WAY OF THINKING
  YOU SHALL SEE….

  Pain.. poverty… injustice… torture …state robbery…
  Fuck em….

  THEY ALL NEED TO GO!!!!!

• fuckyeah : Dec 15, 2007 at 2:57 pm

  At the risk of being greedy I will post again!!!!

  So theres a snake and an apple and the snake talks??
  No hang on thats old testiment..
  So theres this virgin who has a baby??
  No that shit cant be right either..
  This dude is crucified and comes back to life??? WTFK??

  Maybe islam is right…
  So if you kill hundreds of WESTERNERS you will go to heaven an have fifty virgins to suckle upon….??

  Wot the fook???
  Am I the only one here who finds this a little troublesome to process?

  Find a happy place and look after your loved ones..
  Help anyone you can during your day..
  Dont let harm come to another human being..
  Treat women with love and respect…
  Only believe in what is provable by facts..
  Never act on someone elses beliefs…
  Control your bloodthirsty thoughts against others…

  Use your head people, its not rocket salad…

  Using the beautiful religion of Islam to kill will not give you fifty virgins…It aint gonna happen..It might give you fifty red hot pokers up your arse from allah (should he exist)..

  Using lies to create wars will not bring you joy, only a world of shit..Stop making wars wich kill innocent people…

  JUST FUCKING STOP IT….

  There, rant over..

  Sorry for swearing so much..

  Try seeing the good instead of the bad all the time…
  …Well thats not oversimplified is it now?

• Nicky Pizzle : Dec 18, 2007 at 1:44 am

  I just watched the movie, and while everyone is criticizing the movie rather maliciously, I’d like to ask a few questions:

  1. It seems that everywhere I go on the internet, more than 90% or so of the criticism of Zeitgeist is based on the first part of 3, the one regarding religion. Is it not a bigger deal that perhaps (and this is a big perhaps) our country is being unfairly controlled and manipulated without many people being aware, and that the most horrifying event in American history (9/11)may have been fabricated by our own government?

  2. Everyone seems to think that this movie was ABSOLUTE CRAP, but I haven’t heard too many people truly say how or why. What do you critics say of things in the movie such as the Real ID Act, the North American Union, the Amero, the provoking of Pearl Harbor, the sinking of the Lusitania, etc, thing that seem like they could, unfortunately be true?

  I’m not saying this in favor of what the movie suggests (in fact I find that most the citations seem like they were taken out of context), I’m just simply curious as to what you guys have to say on the subject, considering you all seem EXTREMELY intellegent, whereas I’m merely a highschool student.

• Ruth Allan : Dec 19, 2007 at 1:42 pm

  Everything in this world is PERFECT, including our dissatisfaction with it and our desire to change it.
  DISCUSS.
  Likewise;
  TRUTH is a mirror shattererd into thousands of fragments – each man who finds a piece thinks he has the whole.
  And:
  If a pickpocket meets a saint, all he sees are his pockets.
  Finally:
  Sin (pain) is behovely (necessary), but ALL shall be well and all shall be well and all manner of things shall be well.

  And oh yes, something for the scientists.
  EVOLUTION IS THE KEY to understanding what comes next.
  A GRAND UNIFIED THEORY OF EVERYTHING will open everyone’s minds. Space and time are illusions.
  We live in interesting times, ladies and gentleman. Keep your minds wide open to what is happening here – a grand convergence of truth and lies, darkness and light, faith and scepticism.
  You are ALL right! Just keep up the good work.
  And please, if anyone has any idea what I am talking about, I would love to hear from them.

• Recca : Dec 21, 2007 at 8:55 pm

  I really don’t give a fuck if the United States kills whoever they want to kill. All the pussys in this country seem to forget this world is a brutally violent place by nature. This country gives all of you more than you deserve. What could be so bad about giving it to the rest of the world? Our government is is necessary and right and should be implemented throughout the world, period. There is no logical argument against that. Only child-like cries from pussys who would be dead or slaves if they lived anywhere else. As for the religion part, the last time I checked you were allowed to believe whatever you wanted in this country. I thought that solved that problem. War and death are part of life, you don’t just get to be number one. If people would face reality then maybe this country wouldn’t have to lie to you to try to do the right things.

• nick : Jan 5, 2008 at 9:24 am

  I’m gonna have to go ahead and ask:

  Where do you provide me with any information that proves it is bullshit or a lie? All I see is you bitching and moaning because you disagree with it, and, quite possibly, fear what is being said. Come up with some facts, do some research, don’t just sit there and cry because they rained on your parade.

• theblackbay : Jan 5, 2008 at 12:06 pm

  wow Admin, you sound just arrogant enough and just about ignorant enough to try to answer the question I keep posing to people that take the “Federal Reserve What’s the Fuss line”.. you see I never get a satisfactory answer I’ll give examples of answers I get below.

  it involves a little economics here goes:

  1. you need to explain to me (and the forum) why the federal reserve has the right when undertaking and open market operation to charge interest on the issuance of Federal Reserve Currency that is so say to break that down for you, to charge interest on the supply to money as per the Bond system.

  to break that down further for you; do you condone the charging of interest by this essentially non-government organisation on the whole money supply, and then do you condone the payment through tax?

  typical answers I receive:

  your answer: Because they can it’s worked for the last 90+ years.

  nope it hasn’t “work” and it’s not working right now see $100 per barrel oil and gold at earth historical high of $860+, also see jobs growth weak and food prices rising.

  Please answer my question.

  Oh, and the religion yeah, I don’t really care about religion, you can pray to anyone you want I guess the movie was just saying “as long as it doesn’t make you an imbecile along the way.” Because then your imbecile religious idea’s are used to justify imbecile religious related policies that effect other people.

  911 again, think what you want, I think Americans everywhere will look into this event in the future, i’m sure they will sort it out.

• theblackbay : Jan 5, 2008 at 12:22 pm

  How I easily recognize propaganda 101.
  (or just someone looking for a little attention.)

  1. Lack of a critical argument on the oppositions part.
  1. Check

  2. Lack of evidence to the opposing argument.
  2. Check.

  3. Use of “witty” language and often key words so as to appeal to some lets say “less aware” readers’ psychological state.
  3. Check (badly done) but check.

  4. Generalisation or a significant label to appeal to people that think labels are “cool” because of the strong will as a human to be “involved” in a group.

  4. Big Check on this one with the “FEBL” thing, wow even I’m tempted to join the FEBL club so we can hang out and be cool…. (no, I’m not.)

  5. use of language for intensity and the fast paced feel so that a less intelligent reader might not notice that the “critic” poses no critical argument with no evidence to back it up but are just complaining about a movie, “because I’m cool and I don’t like it”.

  5. Check.

• theblackbay : Jan 5, 2008 at 12:26 pm

  Correction: Jan 5, 2008 at 12:06 pm :

  nope it hasn’t “worked” and it’s not working…….
  

  please i’d love an answer.

• Dan : Jan 6, 2008 at 11:22 pm

  I do not see how anybody that thinks logically can believe in any way that an airplane did not hit the Pentagon or crash out in that field. It would have been more convincing if they actually showed interview of the people that supposedly watched the video that the FBI confiscated. Why don’t they talk to the coroner that looked at the bodies and matched up people that were on that airplane? Where did all the people go that boarded that plane? Where did those airplanes go? Were the people in these planes all in on the conspiracy? Were all the people that have radar and watching these planes crash in on the “conspiracy”? Obviously there were people on these planes calling their family members. Are all of the family members in on the “conspiracy”? We can easily check the cell phone records to see where they came from or the radar data to verify where the calls came from. This video does one thing. It shows how many uneducated people we have in this country and how people can be easily influenced by media. Sure, we should all be skeptical, but some of this stuff they present is just crazy.

  I love how they pick on Fox. Hmm, that’s not bias. The movie tells us to not believe the media. Almost all television is slanted liberal except for Fox. This “documentary” was put out there by liberals. I find it funny to believe that they do no want us to tune into their stations. Anybody can start a tv station, radio show, website, etc. in this country if you have the money. Are the powerful elite paying off every person that has access to media? And then, none of those people ever speak out about the people that are not letting them talk or tell the real story…. Get real people, that is impossible. If you have the facts and you can prove them then you have a movie to be made. This fake documentary would be much better if they dug deep into one issue to really prove their point. However, they know if they do this that their “conspiracy” will be shut down.

  All of these conspiracy’s are too funny. They put general assumptions out there but go into such little detail that you can not believe any of it. One thing that this movie did for me was to reinforce the fact that you should do your own research and open your mind. Everybody can benefit from that. So far this documentary has helped me to be a stronger Christian and increase my knowledge in my religion.

  God loves all of you.

• led_belly : Jan 6, 2008 at 11:46 pm

  When I first viewed the movie “Zeitgeist” I was acutely aware that I was engaged in a process and that the movie was not necessarily created as a thing to espouse facts and theories but to present to the viewer a fantastic event. More eyes should be focused on the movie as an event, a koan of sorts, that underneath all of its rhetoric, it is purposefully asking the question, “Is any of this real?”

  Researching the information provided by the movie (which is something we should all do), one enters the world of myriad voices and quotes. Most, I think, are intentionally either misrepresented or presented out of context. I believe this to be an intentional exercise for the masses…

• jnaut : Jan 7, 2008 at 7:53 am

  well said, led_belly. the internet (a manifestation of the US military’s communication network) is an amazing exchange of information, but it makes finding any truth difficult– one is lead to the consistent answer that there is little certainty in anything as doubt can *always* be cast on any topic.

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• Mike : Jan 10, 2008 at 12:19 pm

  Yeah, seriously- you’re providing no strong argument against zeitgeist. Whining and mudslinging don’t get you far in this world, but hey it’s no. 3 most viewed on google video with 4 1/2 stars out of 5 (over 22,000 votes), so they must be doing something right.

  You however have only 53 responses including mine- so you’re not doing such a good job of persuading people..

• kingpin : Jan 11, 2008 at 11:05 am

  its incredible, that were talking about this movie so long after being available, why do you think that this movie is getting popular now?

• bloip : Jan 13, 2008 at 8:57 am

  after a little reading around you cant take this film seriously, i cant be bothered to say why – search for yourself cos im way to busy making a film about how cows are taking over the world

• sidno : Jan 13, 2008 at 12:51 pm

  what i’m most curious about is, what is the point of any of this? what can actually be done here? say every little bit of this film is true… then what? so say you now know horrible truths about what’s going on and can prove it for a fact, what the heck can YOU do? who are you to do anything?

  we’re all small potatoes and why should anyone care what goes on here.. hell, why do i even care. but like i said, i’m curious about what you people think is being accomplished with proving or disproving this film. just to give you peace of mind? shit, i wish something could be done, but unfortunately i lack the super sayin strength needed to be able to do so.

  i’ve already accepted the fact that i’ll die a confused and unsatisfied man, that i’ll never really know what is the supposed truth and even if i did, there would be nothing i could have done about it. don’t get me wrong, i don’t think i’m a weak individual in any sense and therefore think i’m incapable, nor am i trying to insult everyone here. i just can’t help wonder what the general thoughts are of people who stress about conspiracies and whether or not they are true.

  frankly i’m tired of hanging out with ill informed individuals who just go on and on about something that they not only can’t prove nor disprove, BUT even if they knew without any doubt the truth, there isn’t a damn thing they can do about it. good job buddy, you know what’s happening… AND? how about we talk about goals and dreams that are actually attainable?

  want to spend your whole life struggling to understand something that apparently not a single human that has existed has yet to figure out? who exactly do you think you are that you will stumble upon the divine truth to our existence and unlock some hidden door that leads to a promise land where everything makes perfect sense?

  not saying you should just throw down everything and give up, really important you don’t take anything to the extreme. far side of any point is always scary. no, i’m saying live up the grey area and enjoy life. i’m all for the progression of mankind and knowledge, but i’m tired of the speculation of authority and always assuming the worse of every situation. so your leaders are corrupt? let me know when a faultless human who has absolutely no selfish desire is available and we can try to get him into office as soon as possible… not going to happen.

  people need to realize that we are all waaaay more similar than we are dissimilar. doesn’t mean we aren’t all completely unique in some way, but that uniqueness is a small percentage in the alike vs. dislike scale. many leaders throughout history were corrupt in one way or another. that doesn’t mean people with power are bad, just means PEOPLE tend to be this way. every human is selfish and there isn’t a solution to that, just the way we are, putting self as the most important thing in life, which makes perfect sense. now that doesn’t mean we should give in completely to selfish desire, again, don’t go to the extreme. just realize life is no fun all by yourself, so taking your head out of your ass to make sure the people around you are as happy and comfortable as you are will ensure you too will remain that way.

  let people be happy, stop trying to take their joy, unless their joy infringes upon your right to equal joy. but if those such people are not within your reach, think of real solutions or shut the fuck up and don’t worry about it.

  so the question is… assuming any of this film is true, what can YOU do?

  reconsider everything

• Deist : Jan 13, 2008 at 11:09 pm

  Fuck Christianity. Fuck Judaism. Fuck Muslims. More importantly, just fuck.

• Deist : Jan 13, 2008 at 11:20 pm

  Thank you for sharing Zeitgeist with us. i enjoyed it.

• Corbet : Jan 13, 2008 at 11:45 pm

  “…as someone who does not believe in censorship, it is important to make fun of Zeitgeist… ”

  True. I have a heavy heart when I see the popularity of propagandist pseudo-analysis, so I appreciate this comment.

  Jew Banker Republican Pagan God, save us from this movie.

• Leandro : Jan 15, 2008 at 5:31 am

  The admin/author of this article has done a very poor job of standing up for his/her opinions.

  We all have our opinions and it’s how well our opinions stand up in the face of others that gives them value.

  Everything this movie says can’t be true. I think there are many truths that serve the need of having people pull their heads out of their asses and vote for example.

  VOTE!

• Havarti : Jan 17, 2008 at 6:18 am

  I won’t even bother reading the replies… the author of this is easily a hater. Haters just hate not getting recognized for their opinions. So contradicting other opinions.. i.e. (Zeitgeist) is a way of confirming their existence. Make your own movie, write your own book, teach your own class, start your own website.. of your own opinions about life and the lies/truths that are told. YOU are a armchair, armchair. A do nothing that is just another guy yelling out that God will come and punish us all. Basically, you’re just like me. Adding bullshit on top of bullshit with your retarded posts. I see Zeitgeist as great entertainment.. you just try to knock it. I agree with Leandro. You’re just a fucking fuckface dildo. Well, I think that’s what Leandro was alluding to.

• anonymous : Jan 20, 2008 at 7:56 pm

  Here are three things stated in the film as factual beliefs that are not factual beliefs or tenants of Christianity but are actually just church practiced tradition. The whole “Three Kings” argument… the Bible doesn’t teach anything of there being three kings, kings at all, or three anything but gifts. It has been simply practiced as tradition that since there were 3 gifts, gold, frankencense and myhrr, that there were 3 travelers. The entire discertation about the similarities on this level are quantum leaps from Biblical teaching. It is an assumption that there were 3 people who did the traveling. Secondly, the Bible doesn’t teach that these men were even kings. They were “wise men” and (now I will make an assumption) possibly astrologers who noticed what the Bible calls a New star. This was not a normal occurence, as suggested in the film, but a prophesied in scripture occurence that only these men (however many of them there were) noticed. So to start with, the Bible doesn’t teach that there were 3 men, and it doesn’t teach that they were kings. Thirdly and perhaps the most ridiculous of the supposed parrallels between Christianity and the mythical religions, is the whole December 25th birth of Christ idea. This is so ignorant a statement it is hard to believe that it was put into this film which was very thorough and convincing in so many other ways. First off Mary and Joseph were traveling to pay their taxes at the time of Christs birth, and when examining history this taxation most often occurred around the month of August. It is purely tradition that Christmas is celebrated on the 25th and a simple study into facts will show this. These are just 3 areas where this film takes great freedom in trying to tear down Jesus Christ. For all of those looking for a dispute of every claim made in this film, good luck finding it because it very well may take making an entire film. A message board isn’t long enough and most people don’t have the time to take this apart piece by piece. These are 3 pretty blatant errors that are easily researched and proven to be false, but they are not the only ones. Another thing, as a Christian, someone could tell me that my great great great grandfather never existed, but that would not shake the confidence that I have that he did exist. The Bible teaches that Christ lives within us and communes with us. True Christians know God, and God knows them, and the confidence of knowing God is just as real as the confidence of knowing anyone else on this earth for a true Christian. That cannot be explained away or disproving by any type of manipulation of information.

• gickballs : Jan 24, 2008 at 12:22 pm

  Regardless of the authors opinions of this film, it is still important.
  Anything that makes people think about the percieved truths around them is important.

  The subjects raised in The Zeitgeist are all relevant to modern life.

  Religion, regardless of how it is presented in the zeitgeist and how the author of the above piece picks at it, is a load of crap.
  Religions set out rules to control people, make them fearful and the people who control the religions live lives of untold wealth and comfort, whilst the fearful masses below them fund thier lifestyles.

  All religions are poisonous, and the quicker people realise this the better, as it can only lead to a better world for all.

  The 911 conspiracies, well as far as I am concerned, there are no solid facts to support the conspiracies, but then there are also no facts to support the offical story either.
  I think the person who pointed out Chomsky’s views on the subject may have misinterprated what he meant.
  Allow me to expand.
  When you accuse a government of masterminding an event like 911, you are automatically branded a a “conspiracy theorist”, which in the eyes of the masses, automatically discredits your arguments.
  It is clear that the US government gained an awful lot from 911, and that is the most important fact.
  The very fact that people are unreceptive to conspiracies almost make them pointless.
  Let us not forget that Chomsky researches everything thoroughly before commenting.
  This is unusual, as most researchers draw a conclusion after a reasonable amount of research.
  Do you really expect Noam Chomsky to get behind a theory that is still unproven?

  The federal reserve section indeed the most well researched.
  The message that there is no law making Americans pay taxes isn’t there to stop people paying income tax, but rather evaluate how their money is directed by the IRS.
  Saying that everyone should stop paying their taxes in the morning is stupid, and it is not implied in the film.
  Rather, people should examine the system and make sure they’re happy with how it works, and if not do something to change it.

  Overall, this film is only meant to present possible research paths for people to follow.
  It is up to the individual to draw their own conclusion, and pieces like the one above are irritating because they discourage people from making up their own minds on the subject.

  As for anonymous’(above) commenets about the film not stating enough factual evidence to debunk christianity, well my friend you are one to talk.
  Your christian faith and practiced traditions are enough to convince you that your religion is based on truth.
  I’d love to see one piece of solid evidence to prove the authenticity of any religion, unfortunately that evidence is never forthcoming for the simple reason, it doesn’t exist.

  Best of luck with your blind faith, I’ll stick with vigilance or as you may call it “paranoia”.

• admin : Jan 24, 2008 at 1:38 pm

  I’m going to jump in here, since, as with many issues that people react to emotionally, they do not read.

  I believe that for much of its history Christianity has been a dangerous cult, far more dangerous than, say, Scientology.

  That, however, does not mean that if I believe that a film such as Zeitgeist which claims religion is a conspiracy is total, off the charts, loony, crap I somehow am religious.

  In bullet points, for the hard of thinking:

  1. There is a difference between conspiracy which requires massive organization, and delusion which often requires people to do nothing more than behave as usual. Christianity is not some massive conspiracy, like most religions it is a reflection of the way people are. It is an emergent phenomenon rather than being coerced from above, specifically because without a god, everything doesn’t need to come from above.

  In other words, thinking that Christianity is a conspiracy is a religion.

  2. Zeitgeists arguments against Christianity come almost entirely from a single film called ‘The God Who Wasn’t There’. It was linked to on this blog and is worth a look – its pretty good.

  Most of the ’sources’ at the bottom of Zeitgeist, concerning the religious part are the same sources as from The God Who Wasnt There. This could of course be co-incidence, however there is evidence that points to the contrary.

  That evidence is that, like any copy, there are often transcription errors. An example is that a cursory viewing of The God Who Wasn’t there gives the impression that the lives of previous religious figures such as Krishna were more similar to Christ’s than is the case (this is not to say that the notion of Christ is not indeed a version of Kriss).

  An example of a transcription error is the embellishment that a variety of proto Christ figures were born on December 25. This is one of the few points that are different from The God Who Wasn’t There and happens to be false. Not only does it happen to be false, it is ridiculous, since it is impossible to put the birth of Krishna to a day in a Calendar that arose more than a thousand years later with no corroborating data.

  Again, it could be coincidence that one of the few differences between Zeitgeist and The God Who Wasn’t There is less well researched or reasoned. Or it could be that The God Who Wasn’t There Was plagiarized by Zeitgeist’s makers, who were less capable, and therefore prone to less thorough work when producing their own embellishments.

  I could go on, save for one other quick point.

  Federal Reserve/income tax paranoia. This is a cultural thing, almost entirely unique to America (rather like libertarianism). If you haven’t lived outside of America for any period of time then it is less obvious how much of a cultural quirk it is.

  It is culturally interesting that a film which challenges authority, and which in most societies would be associated, therefore, with a left wing cause, doesn’t always, in the US. Zeitgeist has beef with the main source of revenue for the community rather than the individual, the antithesis of a liberal cause in most developed countries, at present.

  The Federal Reserve (which is certainly not a perfect body, but which is also too incompetent to be a conspiracy) is a source of revenue that is protected from sinister government involvement, by virtue of being independent yet is still held accountable by laws requiring it to act in the interests of the people as a whole (a legal requirement to act so as to preserve US employment, for example).

  To think that the Federal Reserve or Christianity are part of a conspiracy assumes that things can’t evolve just because people tend to think in the same way.

  This is the same as thinking that people themselves didn’t evolve and that there needs to be a creator.

  The paranoid vigilance of Zeitgeist is itself an example of blind faith, the blind faith that nothing complicated is self emergent and is therefore created by conspiracy.

• Dennis : Jan 26, 2008 at 2:40 am

  what a stupid post. where is your debunk? loser.

• Renegade : Jan 29, 2008 at 5:05 am

  Didn’t need to see part I to realize the horrors that have been caused because of religion. Evolution happened, the planet is 4.54 billion years old. We evolved from apes. The bible is a nice collection of stories and no doubt people high up in the religious hierarchy definately exploited the masses. Still do today. In the name of religion send me your money. In the name of religion blow your ass off the planet and take a few others with you.

  As far as the 9-11 shit is concerned. A lot of questions come to mind. The pentagon angle from Zeitgeist and loose change and other propaganda films certainly gives one pause for thought. Who were on the planes? Complete passenger lists.

  Buildings fall. Secondary explosions and stuff. Can we not get more information. Is there no more evidence to look at. One thing is for sure Cheney and Bush sure look uncomfortable before the inquiry

  Is Bush’s grandfather really part of the banking cartel dealing with Hitler? Is there a way to find out more information on the Carlisle group? Who and what traded large volumes of shares before 9-11?

  The angle about taxes didn’t score with me. I understand the central bank bullshit but we have to pay taxes to at least some extent. Some things the state has to do or it will not get done….schools, hospitals, roads and other infrastructure.

• terry : Jan 30, 2008 at 2:31 am

  Well, I’m convinced that the movie is worthless, so I will go back to believing that God exists, 9/11 was caused by the Iraq people (who were somehow all from Saudi Arabia) and of course whenever the Fed loans the US money, they somehow get paid back without furthering borrowing from the Fed.
  Can’t wait for the Easter Bunny….
  Oh, anybody catch Bank of America buying out Countrywide Mortgage and controlling more than 10% of US savings – and the US gov. will suspend its usual rules on this (this all came from that commie newspaper, the New York Times).
  Oh, did anybody catch that the Arabs and Chinese are buying up US banks and telecommunications industries? Seems perhaps the next “Zeitgeist” will have to be more global and less US centric.
  Some might suspect the international bankers and friends have cut the ropes with the US and are now truly supranational. Too bad the US is becoming just another commodity to be sold to the highest bidder.
  I’d say, “praise be Allah” but that would offend the Chinese…

• concernedcit : Jan 30, 2008 at 7:43 am

  How is it that I haven’t seen or heard ANYTHING about Zeitgeist in any mainstream media, i.e. news, tv, magazines. Why is this movie and the controversial subjects it discusses being avoided? And in all of the “debunking” I have read, not one actually disproves anything in the movie, but they all swear that it is hogwash. Zeitgeist states that we should not take their word for the truth, but instead should perform our own research and draw our own conclusions. In doing so, I have become even more convinced and concerned with the present state of the world, and I think that is the major reason why this video should be watched by all.

• alex : Jan 30, 2008 at 10:57 am

  the crucifix bit was too much… the romans had been crucifying criminals for ages…

  this is really silly…

• WAKEUP : Jan 31, 2008 at 6:31 pm

  What is silly is not opening your eyes to what is really happening. WAKE UP!

  You say the movie’s a lie, and the movie mentions that 9/11 happened. So you’re denying that 9/11 ever even happened. Well just ask any new yorker and they will tell you that it happen retard. WAKE UP!

  Where’s you’re proof that international bankers aren’t planning secretly to merge the US with Mexico with Canada and destroy our perfect constitution? Show me one ounce of evidence that proves international bankers aren’t controlling our thoughts with aspertame and hip hop. Or that both the republicans and democrats are actually one party run by a council made up of a banker, a rabbi and a scientist that meets once every seventh full moon in the basement of the statue of liberty. You can’t debunk it can you! WAKE UP!

  Why won’t you just believe people of information? You are afraid of information and afraid of the truth. You just can’t handle finding out that every thing you believe in IS A LIE such as you need water to live and animals have feelings! Look it up, it’s all there. DO YOUR RESEARCH on what facts are before you write an opinion piece, dumb ass.

• Free mind : Jan 31, 2008 at 10:23 pm

  Look at what is happening. your all fighting each other when all your focus should be aimed at our government. There is something that is going on that is bigger than you, me, and your beliefs and disbeliefs in religion. Soon you will see that Maslow’s pyrimad of LIFE is true. you will be running for fear of your life and your family’s, disregarding religion and only awake for survival and security. Social acceptance and self esteem will be the least of your worries.. and by that time the only people that will be able to reach the level of self actualization (ability to grow) are the people that are controlling you and this government….. WAKE THE FUK UP!!!!! YOU CAVE MEN!!!!!! WAKE THE FUK UP!!!

  mw

• JJ : Feb 1, 2008 at 9:17 pm

  This article (http://www.investopedia.com/university/thefed/) makes a few claims that are contrary to the sentiment expressed in zeitgeist. Most notably that:

  1. While the Fed is technically a separate entity from the US Government, its chairs are appointed by the president (approved by the senate) and its actions are reviewed by congress.

  2. The profits they make (such as the interest they earn on loaning money to the government) pays for their operational costs and less then 1% of profits goes to share holders in the form of dividends. All profits over those costs are given to the government (roughly 98% of the profits).

  This information is also confirmed in this article with references (and is also a pretty good read on how the system really works): http://www.usagold.com/federalreserve.html

  Also, banks (national and foreign) only own about 1.3% of the national debt. The majority of the national debt is held by the US government by way of programs like Social Security investing in Bonds.

  The Fed works to maintain a steady economy, low unemployment (with the goal of no unemployment) and they regulate the banking industry. Now ask yourself: who would want to convince people through lies and omissions that this is an evil entity run by a shadowy group of extremely rich people that want to destroy the constitution? Could it be people with an interest in having an unregulated banking system, i.e. THE BANKERS?

  Libertarians and the people who are fans of this movie are being lied to and are pawns for the corporate elite.

• Out of America : Feb 1, 2008 at 10:03 pm

  I live outside of America and from most of your postings here you cant seem to look at things intellectually, Stop using things like the definition of conspiracy to justify your point of view. Its Irrelevent to the big picture look at facts, research find your answers you so desperatley want to tell us

• Free Mind : Feb 2, 2008 at 4:36 am

  Anyone that is not living in the USA please do not post anything because your word is worthless… Just like the word of our current president….

• Free mind : Feb 4, 2008 at 10:51 pm

  RE:
  This article (http://www.investopedia.com/university/thefed/) makes a few claims that are contrary to the sentiment expressed in zeitgeist. Most notably that:

  1. While the Fed is technically a separate entity from the US Government, its chairs are appointed by the president (approved by the senate) and its actions are reviewed by congress.

  2. The profits they make (such as the interest they earn on loaning money to the government) pays for their operational costs and less then 1% of profits goes to share holders in the form of dividends. All profits over those costs are given to the government (roughly 98% of the profits).

  This information is also confirmed in this article with references (and is also a pretty good read on how the system really works): http://www.usagold.com/federalreserve.html

  Also, banks (national and foreign) only own about 1.3% of the national debt. The majority of the national debt is held by the US government by way of programs like Social Security investing in Bonds.

  The Fed works to maintain a steady economy, low unemployment (with the goal of no unemployment) and they regulate the banking industry. Now ask yourself: who would want to convince people through lies and omissions that this is an evil entity run by a shadowy group of extremely rich people that want to destroy the constitution? Could it be people with an interest in having an unregulated banking system, i.e. THE BANKERS?

  Libertarians and the people who are fans of this movie are being lied to and are pawns for the corporate elite.
  ——————————————————-

  1. While the Fed is technically a separate entity from the US Government, its chairs are appointed by the president (approved by the senate) and its actions are reviewed by congress. Which is absolutely bs, because we all know and have seen that it doesn’t matter about who is elected and who is in what chair (president, Congress,Senate) if the higher elite want to vote something in they will do it, with no regard to anyone, and surpass all the required channels its originally suppose to follow. Explain the FED bank how did that happen????

  2. even though if that was true, which i highly doubt, 1 percent of the amount of money we are talking about is a major load of money remember the fed is not only dealing with the USA only… most business exassurate on their tax forms not claiming everything… so what makes you think the Fed Reserve is actually giving you accurate numbers. Technically they are a business to, they are in business to make money correct? So who is Equalizing them??? and if someone is… wouldn’t they try to cut corners to save a larger margin of profits… You are over looking some major points here. Just think about it… How Can they allow a private banking system when our “for fathers” foresaw this, and one said and i quote “I’m more scared of a private banking system, than a standing army”

  Too bad the “Bankers” are the same people that you talk about that are not conspiring… and as I quote “who would want to convince people through lies and omissions that this is an evil entity run by a shadowy group of extremely rich people that want to destroy the constitution? Could it be people with an interest in having an unregulated banking system, i.e. THE BANKERS?”

  Don’t contradict yourself…

  Nice try guy…

• Hole Shot : Feb 12, 2008 at 12:09 am

  These “FEBL” movies are the result of laziness and taking advantage of ignorance. Rather than understand how the world and government works on their own, people soak in these documentaries and take them literally. I mean it’s good that people are curious, but by God, don’t get your education via-youtube!

  I mean are you really going to decide the historical reality of Jesus Christ, the truth behind the death of 3,000 people and lie that is your income tax from a source that also provides you with cute videos of people’s puppies running through the snow, spoofs of David Blaine and Batman & Spider-Man action figures talking to eachother?

  For every point there is a counterpoint and many Zeitgeist’s points (most of which are made with very weak or no citations to back the claims) can be discredited with just a little research. Yes, if this movie has caused you to be a greater critical thinker, that is a good thing. But you’re not being an open minded critical thinker if you thought begins and ends with this movie.

  And this whole Orwellian apocolypse that we’re al going to be drones to the man is BULLSHIT. That’s an excuse for people who fail and rather blame everything but themselvs as to why their lives suck. Sure there are many born into situations in third world countries that can’t escape their reality. However, relating to Americans – my life isn’t being controlled by a few rich white folks. Yours might, because you still live with your parents but I’m pretty much free to earn a living, do what I want within the law and say what I want.

  And guess what? I’m Catholic and I know 9/11 was terrorist attack organized by Al Qaeda. But I will admit sometimes I do scratch my head at how my tax dollars are being spent – that’s why I have no problem saying a big FUCK YOU to the government.

• Hole Shot : Feb 12, 2008 at 12:15 am

  and one more thing! If Zeitgeist sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo groovy, where was it in exploing the biggest conspiracy of the 21st century? The New England Patriots! HUH?!?!? WOOT!!!

  GO CHARGERS!

• R Christopher : Mar 18, 2008 at 7:37 am

  Would like to exchange links with you re: the anti-Christian movie, Zeitgeist. Have done so with others. I think you will appreciate the fact that I have specifically addressed each and every claim made by the author(s) of Zeitgeist. Please take a look and let me know. ron

  web site = http:/www.zeitgeistresponse.info/

• Terran 6.59 : Apr 7, 2008 at 5:05 am

  Ok has anyone addressed the point of if it is a big FEBL, why tolerate it or as a sentient being just create another one? I could care less if your or my ancestors spent their lives building this system. It blows. And WTF, if it is a big lie and some of you accept it, and they churchs and goverments all know it, then it is a freaking conspiracy! They are weak men, living the fantasy of your anestors. Kind of like people today recreating earth human simulated reality games but they take into an INFINTIE ENVIRONMENT where the imagination knows no bounds the human market. You have to earn pixel gold to buy more pixels. You have effectively shown a lack of imagination and spoiled the infinite with restrictions that match your life. Your all cavemen trapped in ancient Rome wearing iPods thinkin your the be all and end all to civilization when most of you just got here and someone in the past has already lived and experienced everything you think is new, except they didnt have nice cars and they knew ancient astronomy and how to farm and how to take real pain and suffering. Real men teach other men to fish, they dont sell them fish and tax them, then teach their kids to be good little worker bees. If you dont teach my kid ethics, CPR, medicine, construction, philosophy, farming, fishing, solar/wind energy, survival skills, yoga, tai chi or any martial art in your curriculum, right from kindergarten. Then dont waste my time with what you call Society. Build an Atlantian Utopia humans, or STFU.

• Conor : Apr 7, 2008 at 10:54 pm

  Just for fun, a conspiracy about the conspiracy nuts of Zeitgeist.

  This isn’t a FEBL movie as much as a mish-mash of other FEBL movies to bring others around to a libertarian way of thinking. The mish-mash is The God Who Wasn’t There, Loose Change, Fahrenheit 9/11 and a few others. This movie is an attempt to subvert the interest others have in these films to another cause (as admin pointed out, a libertarian one).

  The only “original” content not in these other FEBL movies is the suggestion that the banks are taking over the world and there will be a world government. This is a spin on the classic libertarian paranoia trap with some kind of socialist world government (spawned form either the UN, the EU, Monopolistic Industrialists or some reformation of the Soviet Bloc) that controls the banks and the financial system. Not only that, they’re paying money directly to them in the form of taxes!

  What they’re really upset about is that they they aren’t free to make as much money as possible to support their own dreams of flying into space and driving fast cars (or flying a fast car into space). The idea that someone might take a dime of their “hard earned money” and do something they don’t like with it (i.e. spend it on someone else) or that someone has more power and money than they can ever hope to have and that isn’t fair.

  In other cultures we usually call them sociopaths. These particular sociopaths are jealous that someone is richer than they are. They’re also kind of pissed off that they originally supported some wars only to find out they were hood-winked (and worse that those damn lefty-pinko types were right!).

  Unable to win their arguments with blogs, posts on slashdot and support for Ron Paul, they’ve decided to subvert the other side (those damn lefty-pinko socialist types that were right about the war!). They’ve done this by taking a bunch of movies that those damn lefty-pinko socialist types like, mashing them together and then tacking on the libertarian end game as the logical extension.

  Touche.

• Simpleton : Apr 11, 2008 at 2:45 am

  In case anyone didn’t hear about the supposed massive protest that’s supposed to take place on April 15th, 2008, there it is. It’s supposed to involve millions of people attempting to deface the IRS and Federal Reserve through means of this said massive protest also not showing up for work, not spending money, ditching school etc. If any such event does happen, I believe a good part of it is owed to that damn movie.

  This goes to prove the post at the very top, in the fact that these movies are dangerous, as they have almost brought the 1960’s back and aside from all the sex and drugs, I don’t think many people want that.

• Aziz : Apr 11, 2008 at 12:22 pm

  “ZEITGEIST, Part 1″ Debunked? NOT!

  “…When the subject matter is examined scientifically and in depth, there continues to be no credible evidence for the existence of the gospel character named Jesus Christ, and the preponderance of scientific evidence points to him being as mythical a character as the Greek god Hercules and the many other deities of the Roman Empire of the time.

  While people who take such a position are widely subjected to ridicule and derision, based on all the evidence this conclusion is demonstrably the most reasonable and logical. Furthermore, in a truthful world where we should not be compelled to reside in BLIND BELIEF, this perspective should be allowed to exist without its holders being derogated and abused, as well as dunned with impossibly high standards of proof, while claims in the religious arena require little to no proof at all! ”

  http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2008/04/zeitgeist-refuted-not.html

  “The Companion Guide to ZEITGEIST Part 1″ E-Book
  http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/zeitgeist.html

  Zeitgeist part 1 video toward the bottom – http://www.truthbeknown.com/videos.html

  Pass it around

  ;

• asdf : Apr 13, 2008 at 8:28 am

  first off, everyone do your own research and dont accept as fact anything that you dont feel comfortable with. second, whether or not the movie is factual doesnt matter. the overall goal of movies like this is to destroy the old religions in order to bring in the new one world religion. these ‘controllers’ know that we know about them, and they know that people are going to figure out their old scams. so they come up with new ones at the same time as the old ones are brought down. look deeper than the surface!

• eatsnails : Apr 15, 2008 at 6:29 am

  After seeing the movie, I just search for “Zeitgeist lie”, to see if anyone could stat me some relevant arguments. Well thank you, by your ridiculous and insolting comments, on a extremly great work, I more than ever support the ideas presented by zeitgeist. I just hope more people will start thinking out of the box giving to them by birth bby the society we live in.

• someguy : Apr 15, 2008 at 3:03 pm

  I have a few things to say about this movie.
  1) It pisses me off when someone makes a “documentary” and fills it up with lies and truths mixed together. But they do tell you at the beginning:
  “The more you educate yourself, the more you understand where things come from – the more obvious things become and you begin to see lies everywhere.”
  “You have to know the truth and seek the truth
  and the truth will set you free”

  So don’t say they didn’t warn you.

  2) There is plenty of information pro and against the arguments of the movie, you can find a whole lot online. However I do think the message, away from all the sensationalism, is a good one. Only when we are able to find what connects us to each other then we will be able to find peace in this world. Separatism, Nationalism and Racism are the cause of most of human suffering in the history of our world.

  3) I am concern that some people are going to go crazy and stop paying their taxes. Whether the system is fair or not, please be advised that you can actually go to prison if you don’t pay your taxes and there is plenty of court cases that disprove the claims in the movie that the income tax is 1. unconstitutional and 2. was not ratified by enough states, just look at wikipedia to start
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_constitutional_arguments#Sixteenth_Amendment_ratification_arguments

  That’s all.. peace my brothers and sisters.

• R Christopher : Apr 18, 2008 at 5:16 am

  Still hoping to exchange links with you. Check out my stuff and let me know http://www.zeitgeistresponse.info/ Thanks, ron

• Kevin : Apr 21, 2008 at 7:40 pm

  Why does everyone want to dismiss this video just because it’s a “conspiracy theory”? You want a conspiracy theory, how about this. 19 men living in caves fly planes to the other side of the world, find a way to get onto 4 different American flights without their names ever showing up on the flight records, somehow are able to get boxcutters through metal detectors and onto the planes, hijack all four planes and fly in circles for almost an hour each without the most sophisticated air defense system in the world (NORAD) catching them, and then hit 3 out of 4 targets. Then the two most structural sound buildings on Earth, both hit by planes, somehow fall at freefall speed through concrete floors after burning for just a few hours. Then on top of that the plane that hit the Pentagon somehow vaporized upon impact from burning jet fuel, even though jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt the titanium alloy engines attached to it.

  Wake up you morons. We have already publicly proven that the government had intelligence of emminent attacks on these targets months before they occured and chose not to react. In fact, our own government officials were eating breakfast and lunch with relatives of Bin Laden and one of the funders of Mohammed Attah. If you are going to disprove a documentary that is simply trying to tell you that things are not what they seem and everything should be questioned, then at least provide some solid evidence to support your claim first.

• Kaye : Apr 26, 2008 at 9:47 pm

  ask yourself: who has more to gain from the lie – the makers of a FREE documentary or the New World Order who is plotting YOUR enslavement while you defend ignorance with empty slander?

  Viva stupidity, bro – I hope they paid you well~~

• yoPAPA : May 1, 2008 at 9:11 am

  Everyone who believe everything told in Zeitgeist is kinda retard. BTW this movie is very funny with its sppoky world domination ideas and it is supported by conspiracy theories. Everyone who knows what word “theory” really means should understand that this is cocktail made of bullshit.

• Gustav : May 13, 2008 at 9:24 am

  This Illuminati stuff has been around for a hell of a long time. Back in the ’90’s I used to play an RPG called Illuminati New World Order, which dealt with the same sort of things we see in the FEBL films, only in a more entertaining fashion. It is funny that now, in the 2000’s, people are taking this stuff (the subject of friggin’ RPGs, people!) as fact. How utterly bizarre.

• Gustav : May 13, 2008 at 9:48 am

  Kevin,
  Just for the record, the terrorists involved in 9/11 did not live in caves, but were well-educated and middle-class men from the Muslim world. Not all people in the Islamic world live in caves; how they live depends on the country they live in (i.e. Saudi Arabia and Egyptian cities can offer fairly high standards of living. Also, Muslim desire for martyrdom and paradise is a fairly large motivator for sophisticated terrorist attacks. They believe that if they are martyred for Islam, they will receive special consideration in the afterlife. The more glorious the martyrdom, the better.

  I’m not going to touch the NORAD part of your argument. As far as the names of the terrorists never appearing on the registry of the flights: they probably used false identities…it couldn’t have been hard for them. What’s more, I knew a person who unwittingly had a knife in his carry-on and was passed through the checkpoint with no hassle (this was in 2007!).

  Bombs in the buildings, eh? Isn’t it plausible that if the highly-sophisticated terrorists could hijack planes, they could also plant bombs in the building? Again, we are dealing with creative, intelligent and driven combatants. Maybe there were bombs in the tower that caused them to topple at free-fall speed, but if so, it is very likely that they were placed there by other members of the terrorist operation.

  No official report ever claimed that two of the planes vaporized upon impact (with the ground, or with the Pentagon).

  As far as Mahmoud Ahmed is concerned, he was a member of Pakistani intelligence. He has probably had contacts in the US Gov’t for years. There are a dozen reasons why an official of the ISI could’ve been talking to US politicians, since we have had dealings with that agency for more than 20 years. After all, Pakistani leader Pervez Musharraf has had cordial relations with the US for some time. And yes, the Government has had business dealings with the Bin Laden family for some time–one important detail, though: the wealthy Arab family has disowned Usama.

  Zeitgeist sacrificed honest and rational reporting for the sake of sensationalism. But it gave the people what they wanted: a justification for greater anger.

• Andre : May 21, 2008 at 1:26 am

  Zeitgeist the movie, whatever you may think, has motivated all the above to make an effort to post ’something’. Perhaps even the most cynical, might for one moment reflect. Even if 95% of the film was complete BS, it serves a unique purpose…especially in these times.

  I’d like to mention something not so obvious to most, even Dawkins book has it strangely enough.

  It’s that little 4 digit number at the top of every post, a numerator, a signifier…a time ref that has it’s heritage in something that the most venomous and spittle generating cynic can not deny, as their own birthdates are based upon it.

  Some of you will get it…some won’t at first…some will argue it’s meaningless..

  but it is, and nothing…no clever word saladization, no poetic attempt at revisionistic spin, can change that.

  Dig in boys, you up to your neck in it and you don’t even know it, or can’t accept it.

• Me : May 21, 2008 at 9:33 am

  This is the worst attempt by religious people to fight back against history, technology, and science…if you believe in either this movie or the zeitgeist movie than you are not using the greatest gift to you…your mind.

  You only know what you are told…whether it be by a teacher, a pastor, or a cop….you believe it cause it comes from an authority…but what if you never had contact with other people…never seen or heard another person talking…what would you believe then??? I’ll tell you…survival…that is the only common goal of any living thing on Earth…and when you understand that everything and everybody out there just wants to survive…then you’ll come to realize why certain groups are trying to control you through fear, information, or whatever…they are only trying to survive themselves by using you. That can be said about governments, religions, and almost every organized group on this planet.

  What the real shame is…is the fact that you as a living thing are contributing to someone or some other thing’s survival…when you should be more concerned about your own.

• Roger : May 24, 2008 at 8:59 pm

  After the madness and mayhem that was WWII, it is very easy to understand the power of misinformation and manipulation. Think about it: if anyone at the time had ever thought that a young man of “humble” upbringing would almost take over the world, while murdering millions of people, he/she would have been deemed an “idiot” or a “loony”, but these things happened. Frankly, it isn’t so far-fetched to believe that there are some who really want world domination and would go to great length to acheive it. The only thing I am uncomfortable with is that I’m not sure that something as world domination can be carried out so seamlessly without physical or militaristic coercion. I have studied organizational leadership and theory, and — like many of you I’m sure — I work within an organization, and most of the time, things happen so quickly and haphazardly, that we barely have time to adjust to the issues at hand and formulate new policy to deal with them. So, with that in mind, I’m not too sure that the sort of cohesion amongst these “shadowy elite” can be so precise as to bring about — almost to a T — the policies and world occurrences that are in-line with their desires. It just seems a bit too easy.

  Life is way too messy, and I just can’t imagine these shadowy figures all agreeing because they all seem to have such high view of themselves that I just can’t fathom their coming to agreements on such profound, world-domination tactics as the Federal Bank or the United Nations. That’s the part I have a problem with.

• Steven Rodgers : May 26, 2008 at 10:35 pm

  I like how you refute their argument and agree with you the one hole that leaks is please provide primary resources. Being a devout Catholic I would like for you to refute their arguments it will help yours and I can help you with that. I agree with you as a thinker that looks at the facts. Thank you.

• Amino : May 30, 2008 at 1:05 am

  So explain religion to me?
  Explain what happened on 9/11?
  Explain to me why the Federal Reserve is owned by the bank of England (rotschild)?

• Amino : May 30, 2008 at 1:23 am

  ignorance is bliss

• anonimos : May 30, 2008 at 3:17 pm

  to admin

  does it really matter? nothing lasts for ever. so if they are conspiring….. at some stage it will be reveald, there is point that evil dies and good lives, and a point were good dies and evil lives, evil is living nowdays, but it is becoming saturated…… the global warming floods will clean the evil up…..

  oh and about the 25th births, yes not exaclty but close , if they has close people would dought

  anyway

  i do agree that not all is conspiracy and there self envolvment etc…..

  but read your greek mythology……. its all there…..

• noneya : Jun 3, 2008 at 6:21 pm

  David,
  why dont you go and research the movie if you think it’s so much of a big lie then??
  Your not because you dont have the time, or you’d rather go home and sleep, or whatever the case maybe, you would rather whine like a little school girl about something you have ABSOLUTLY NO true knowledge over and nothing you say should be belived by anyone because you dont know anything about what is truth. So untill you can come fourth with some actual FACTS to back up that you believe this movie is a lie, then knock it off and let everyone else make a decision for themselves and research it on their own.

• noneya : Jun 3, 2008 at 6:38 pm

  and a final word to everyone……..
  Research it on your own. find some facts to support or deny this movie. I have already been doing some and found one childrens website that was just for kids and had it’s own little “search engine” on the page. I tried looking up JD Rockefeller…..results: None.
  Ok only 1 page, no biggy. but the more I have been trying to look for certain books and wondering why too many books out their are actually “BANNED” from americans, it just makes me wonder. NO book is suppose to be “BANNED” from americans or any cartoons, or Nothing. We are all suppose to have the best rights here… Aren’t we?
  Prove this movie wrong and prove that we as Americans still have all the freedom that we are suppose to have from our Constitution.

• Pete : Jun 4, 2008 at 9:09 am

  There are suble lies buried throughout this movie, I am convinced of that. I want to believe a lot of it, but i am confused as to why they would put blatant lies into the film if they have any truth to speak at all. For example, when i searched “louis McFadden” on google, i found that he was poisoned, but he hadn’t died from this, and actually died 4 years after his attempt to get rid of the federal reserve, which lost in congress and not because he was poisoned right before. The makers of this film definitely misconstrue facts throughout, you will need to put your own research in to verify most of the information in this film. Someone should make a true, unbiased rebuttal of this film and highlight the errors and correct facts in that are portrayed.

• Gaffney : Jun 8, 2008 at 3:31 pm

  Any logical, reasonable person with background in science and religion can tell you that religion in general is complete and utter bullshit. Although religion in general MAY have began with good intentions, it has created dillusional followers who believe it is not only ‘okay’, but it is actually ENCOURAGED to believe in things without evidence. This is true in all religions I am aware of besides Buddhism. This by itself is devastating to the human species, for reasons which should be obvious to anybody who gives it half a thought.

  Now with my personal bias out of the way, in my opinion Zeitgeist loses credibility by providing a bunch of anecdotal evidence to support its often extremist and halfassed conclusions. (Especially when discussing 9/11 as a government conspiracy.) I am not saying that everything the video says is false. I am glad to admit that “I don’t know,” although I think that a government conspiracy in this case is quite improbable. There may be negligence involved, but I doubt conspiracy.

  Notice the film possesses:
  * No opposing views; displaying only evidence that supports their argument(s)
  * Hardly any concrete evidence / references (again, practically all of the so-called evidence is anecdotal)
  * Very few if any // EXPERT // opinions
  * Hasty conclusions drawn from subjective interpretations of data and/or lack-of data, which leads to…
  * Logical fallacies. –Instead of pointing out the myriads of fallacies in this movie, look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies and figure them out for yourself

  Now let me make another point: as far as I know, most of the historical references in the movie are in fact accurate. HOWEVER, not only are many references taken out of context, but also manipulatively structured to mislead the viewer (much like how Louis McFadden had two ATTEMPTED suicides, but never actually died from poisoning as mentioned above by Pete.) What really pisses me off in this movie is the fact that the movie sometimes does use ostensibly credible sources to back up some farfetched claims, yet FAILS TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN AND/OR WHERE THEY CAME FROM. I mean seriously, what the fuck? Throw me a bone… some books, a website, some articles… something that I can fall back on to check these often absurd claims.

  I have one more point to make on Zeitgeist’s factual accuracy. As I am majoring in economics, I can say that there is certainly more than meets the eye in the banking industry and the economy in general. The average person has no idea how the flow of money works in this world. If everybody (especially in the U.S.) truly understood how the banking industry operates (as well as the history behind the Bank of England and the Fed), there would undoubtedly be mass pandemonium. Although this movie makes leaps and bounds in their conclusions, there is some truth behind the idea that international bankers and businessmen basically operate the world. The influence corporate lobbyists have on U.S. government is the most obvious and well-known examples of business influence, as the history of the Rothschilds and J.P. Morgan is to banking.

  One thing I can definitely agree with is the ultimate message Zeitgeist delivers: do not believe everything you hear or read, and think for yourself. Think critically (by ALWAYS listening to both sides of issues and judging for yourself), educate yourself on topics that interest you and you deem important, and always be willing to change your beliefs based on credible evidence. Otherwise, you are just another slave and a statistic in the eco-political system.

  Best Regards,
  Gaffney

• Philbin : Jun 22, 2008 at 1:37 am

  For the christian argument check this vid out
  BTW jesus was not born on the 25 lol are you really that retarded

• Philbin : Jun 22, 2008 at 1:38 am

  im sorry here it is
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1514250792942952647&hl=en

• :( : Jun 22, 2008 at 7:58 pm

  part 1 of zeitgeist well lets be honest its got a bit of this a bit of that its just snippets of fact and fiction put together to make it look true. i see religion not as a truth or a falsity it is what it is, all modern religions i.e Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and so on have 1 major similarity they all tell a basis of how to live our lives not to kill not to steal and to embrace and nurture what we have, and that begs the question what do we have now? im not in the slightest bit religious im a committed atheist but i see nothing of the values that any religion teaches us to live by we all see a great deal of time in the world go to waste on learning these values. wasted time on values we should already know we shouldn’t be learning them should be acting them out but we cant we have been overflowed with irrelevant information spurred on by religious fanatics, the media and all the other sources that feed you more and more irrelevant information. just stop take a look at what you have now, is it really what you want from life or is it what you think you want from life.

• ssrider : Jun 28, 2008 at 3:23 am

  This movie uses sensational methods (music, shocking war images) to deliver a message that is by no means obvious (see all comments above). I can’t see the motive behind much of it, be it true or false or a combination of both. I have a hunch that:

  Big banks and wealthy people behind the scenes do control many of the events we call news (Oh yeah, I’m too lazy to research on this)

  One question I have about 9/11: Why didn’t NORAD intercept the hijacked airliners? I can’t get over this one. Anyone have an idea, assuming the movie is false on this as many have said?

• Tyler : Jun 30, 2008 at 5:31 pm

  I was meh about all of this until I saw the person who stated that 9/11 was the most horrific tragedy this nation has ever had (a year ago).

  I know it’s old but I felt the need to comment.

  9/11 may be the most horrific tragedy in your lifetime, but it is in no way the worst even if committed by the government. Roughly 6000 people died that day. We can round up to 10,000 and it still doesn’t compare to the 620,000 that died in the Civil War. Try 72million for world war II (not all Americans). Please don’t think that 9/11 wasn’t terrible, it was, but it was in no way the worst.

• JenniferPaison : Jul 7, 2008 at 3:12 pm

  Yes, late comments are still as viable as comments posted near the time this David guy posted the topic. One should take time to digest ideas such as those proposed by Zeitgeist if one wants to truly participate in one’s world, now shouldn’t one? What Zeitgeist is proposing is a common thread, an almost subconscious thought pattern, in the world psyche and may be ingrained in our DNA. Is it real or imaginary? Who and what should we trust to be real? “You” decide. Either way, THINK ON YOUR OWN… or at least try to.

  Back on topic: David, “…why would a conspiratorial public body setup a private central bank?” Hm. Are you purposely trying to dumb yourself down by asking a rhetorical question with such an obvious answer, an answer already illustrated in the film and easily substantiated by the average economics and political science officianado? Do you even understand basic economics and political science? Do you know simple mathematics and accounting? Your blurb screams those questions. Have you calmed down enough now to do a better job at investigating and critiquing the film’s theorems, many of which are just stating proven facts supported upon logical foundations of natural cause and effect. There are narrow margins from which few conclusions can be made when using such critical thinking tools.

  Rather than calling Zeitgeist and its film genre insulting names and using a variety of cuss words as part of your own impacting, shock-provoking approach to writing, yes, rather than doing just what you claim the film makers of Zeitgeist are doing, try to formulate an intelligent argument, host a worthy debate and substantiate your argument with real fact and genuine, sturdy logic. Or simply stop writing these useless, mindless blurbs. You are wasting valuable net space except in regards to providing a forum among hundreds if not thousands of others for comment on the film. It’s always good to see what folks think even if you don’t agree with them or find their logic flimsy.

  One thing we can agree on is that Zeitgeist solicited a reaction- if but rather immature and one-dimensional -out of you. Perhaps it may’ve even made you think…. a wee bit, if it doesn’t hurt your brain too much. Woopsie! I just insulted your integrity as a free thinker, or are you one, really?

  Thanks for readin’.

  PEACE

• JenniferPaison : Jul 7, 2008 at 7:47 pm

  BTW: The film was so loosely based on religion so as to not have been worthy of even the title of Zeitgeist unless the weak connection of Jesus being replaced by our alleged new god, the almighty American doolar, is ample evidence of such intention. I think the film makers used Part I and the title as an attention grabber in order to clinch the biggest audience possible. Not a respectable move on the part of the film makers and more indicative of faulty credibility. Still, Zeitgeist did not clearly argue religion enough to warrant your reference to The God Who Wasn’t There (a film based on the Christian argument of failing devotion in today’s consumer American society) to warrant a reference to that film unless you’re equating both films as examples of the rise of fascism through religion. At least that response of yours to commentators was an attempt by you to add real substance to your original rant. It shows you are gradually using deeper thought in this rant.

  And now I end my- albeit flawed because, like you, I too am human and therefore imperfect by anyone’s standards -rant.

  Thanks for readin’.

• J-Foe : Jul 19, 2008 at 1:55 pm

  Everyone knows religion is based on theories, NOT scientific FACT. In this year 2008 the world is very fact driven. Everything must be proven to be accepted widely, EXCEPT religion, ghosts, and aliens. Three things whitch could all be considered to be tied together. If you want to believe religion then good for you. Be a good person. However, there are other things to be listened to in this movie. There is a huge difference between parts 1, and the other parts 2 and 3. Part one has NOTHING to do with the rest of this movie.
  I have a friend in the military that says the special ops military personel are REQUIRED to get chipped. I work in a hospital, and I heard a few doctors talking about these chips from Digital Angel. They were saying that this company is trying to get all newborn babies to have the chip installed. I have been hearing about these chips for almost 15 years now and it is finally happening. I don’t know about everyone else but I don’t want all my money controlled by a chip that is implanted in my arm. And I sure as hell don’t want to be tracked and let the government know my whereabouts at all times. If this ever does happen, there is going to be a huge problem. People like myself would never get these installed. I would assume there would be millions more that feel the same way. I assume it would be enough that if the world were forced to get these that there would be a war taking place. I assume that since I am still under 30 years old that I will probably be long dead before this ever happens. Thank god for that! If there is a god.

• Jeremy : Jul 26, 2008 at 8:31 am

  Fall in love. Never lose faith in it. Be kind to your neighbor and spread the GOOD news. Do not buy a gun. Do not buy an alarm system. Do not lock your house. COMMUNICATE with your COMMUNITY. Touch, feel, respond and share laughter. Kiss each other. Go for walks. Swim. Have pets. Believe in PEACE. Be amongst animals and wild life. Don’t eat processed food. Eat more fresh vegetables. Do not hate. Do not spread hate. Live life like the laughing and playful 3 year old that you still are.

• hope : Jul 30, 2008 at 7:27 pm

  what is the truth?

• Krumbull : Aug 7, 2008 at 6:03 pm

  Well done Ruth Allan…everything IS perfect because it is not different from how it is..a fishing net is used to catch fish: when the fish is caught you can forget about the net..a rabbit snare is used to catch a rabbit:when the rabbit is caught you can forget about the snare..words are used to catch thoughts:when the thought is caught you can forget about words..where can I find a man who has forgotten words so i can have words with him

• dude : Aug 9, 2008 at 8:06 am

  Well Jeremy, welcome to the real world, where people die and stuff.

• Mike : Aug 11, 2008 at 6:02 am

  What I want is for someone to actually take the initiative to prove this documentary WRONG. Everyone above trying to disprove this is merely speculating. These people took the time to develop such a theory. Now I would like to see someone who is so strongly against this film to prove it wrong!

  Stop citing Wikipedia. It is a public webpage where any idiot who thinks they know what they’re talking about can go a post false information. Read a book!

  Sincerely,
  An 18 year old. Go ahead fire away. I know nothing

• J.P. : Aug 15, 2008 at 5:42 pm

  Ok so i just read through this whole cite and it officially accomplished nothing. Not a single person other than the guy who talked about our lack of need for a federal reserve said anything factual or rational. I like many of you have believed religion to be B.S. for years through my own research so the first section was no surprise. Some of the stuff in the second and third section have been shown to be true such as the warnings about Pearl Harbor and 9/11 and the fact that the average person doesn’t legally have to pay taxes (i would not recommend not paying as you will be arrested regardless of its legality) but nonetheless it is true. But whether or not any of the second or third section is true is almost irrelevant. Just look at the national debt or literally ANY other government controlled aspect of our lives and you will know that they are doing a shitty job. This system needs to replaced by a non partisan government minus a federal reserve and needs to have less executive and more ( as cliche’ as it sounds) power for the people. I sincerely hope that there are more people who care about our future than me. This post is not meant to insult so i apologize if i offended anybody but i would like to politely ask everyone to WAKE THE FUCK UP and do something. And don’t worry mike I’m 18 too, age does not determine wisdom, rather knowledge and a willingness to accept things you may not understand but striving to do so does. Don’t apologize for youth for it means simply that you have more time to make a difference.

• JT : Aug 17, 2008 at 10:45 pm

  Alot of the information (on the 2nd and 3rd part) were very, very interesting and has opened my mind to alot of possible theories…and i do have to agree with J.P we do need to “WAKE THE FUCK UP” and we need to do it pretty soon…because the way our government is going we’ll end up on a one way ticket to shitsville….controlled and manipulated….not something i want to finish growing up in and end up having my children grow up in…I mean…it’s pretty lame….and for JenniferPaison saying that this whole documentary is based loosely on religion…how can you say that when only ONE part had religion on it….the rest is about govenment, Federal Reserves and other hierarchies….still they might have intended the first part to attract attention….but the rest of the documentary is by all very intriguing. If you open your mind do your own indepent work…you’ll find that politics are way too corrupt….even our own judical system…not ownly to race, but financial and political power. Meh…and the way that a majority of our media is owned by the most wealthy and powerful..they can side track us from the truth…hence we need to wake up. With the wealthy wanting to get more money…they advertise shit that catches our attention and convinces us to buy their product, not saying all products are bad, but some media and products keep us from finding some of the truth in the world. Oh well….just a thought and was bored…

  Probably won’t check back so leaving something in response to this won’t make you a better or worse person…just a waste of time more than likely…unless it has some logic instead of some lethargic response….the comment away…

  Thx – JT

• Hector Rosario : Aug 19, 2008 at 2:24 pm

  I would love to post my entire thought process here and now but sadly it most likely will be for no good reason. Someone eluded to earlier the 18 foot hole left outside of the pentagon by a 757. I have one better….we have image upon image…photo upon photo…and video upon video of both planes hitting the twin towers. Ever wonder why we have none of the pentagon?

• JimmyCrackhorns : Aug 27, 2008 at 8:46 pm

  I didn’t have tme to read ALL the responses but the entire premise of this blog is HORSE SHIT and a lousy attempt to foster a DEBATE? or even prove any point. Simply saying a movie is nothing more than FEBL etal without showing where the movie is wrong, because the movie is done in documentary genera, you are basically saying “I can’t believe anything in this movie, well, except the first part because I agree religion is a hoax, but, come on, Larry Silverstein and the Zionist Mosad remote control jets into buildings? Oh puh-leeeeze!!!…molten metal only caused by thermate?…Hogwash!….CFR and MIC and and and…”

  Yeah, we’re all nuts and you have your act together. HOGWASH!!

• Daragh : Aug 30, 2008 at 1:50 am

  I get you Ruth Allan Dec 19, 2007 @ 1:42 pm – Sorry it took me so long to find you – You are not alone – Safe journey.

• Mr. tick : Sep 2, 2008 at 10:41 pm

  where are the lizards?

• Michael : Sep 3, 2008 at 12:24 am

  1) Almost everything, despite the best of intentions, has some mistakes. That’s why they’re called mistakes. I’m betting that some of it’s true, some of it’s not, and that I should continue to live my life the best I can with what I’ve got. Teddy Roosevelt once said (I know, I’m sure he was part of the huge Master Plan), “Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.” So that’s what I’m going to do. Just like yesterday. Hopefully very similar to tomorrow in most respects.

  2) I’m 32, 5′11″ about 170, Caucasian, avid gym go-er and fairly athletic, have lots of interests and hobbies, agnostic but spiritual, live in the Boston area, free-spirited, open-minded (not so open-minded my brains are falling out — and no, that’s not saying anything about the movie one way or the other), and can probably make you laugh. Race is not a factor. Get in touch — would it not fucking rock that we met through this crazy discussion?

  3) All “conspiracy theories” fall apart once one sees that they’re always necessarily sooo intricate that too many people have to be “in on it” to make them function? Like, in a way that strains reason to the breaking point. I mean, no duh about Bush and profit and oil. Surprised anyone?

  4) By the way, I’m looking for women, although I’m a Kinsey scale 3, which means I’m technically somewhat bisexual. If you love that concept then you’re totally my girl, because I’d share you with a hot guy.

• vash : Sep 3, 2008 at 9:55 pm

  This article is a croc of shit. There are thousands of videos and millions of articles, documents, websites, and print outs SUPPORTING ZEITGEIST IDEAS..

  In your b*llsh*t commentary on zeitgeist. I see 0 evidence supporting your answer. I see zero interest in any research you have done. I thought maybe zeitgeist was lying. So i sat down and researched, and researched, AND RESEARCHED. through videos, articles, documents, commentaries. They all point to the same thing. Yet in your commentary all you do is constantly insult the film and ideas with savory put-downs. quit trying to manipulate the mind of readers.

  DO YOUR RESEARCH.
  YOUR COMMENTARY IS A LOAD OF BULL.
  SHOW ME YOUR EVIDENCE.

  all i can see is people need to look up names like
  ALEX JONES
  JOHN TODD
  FRITZ SCHNIEDER
  People that have been trying to say what zeitgeist shown for years.
  There are many films and documents on a website known as infowars.com
  I also suggest people look up Alex jones films, such as ENDGAME, FABLED ENEMIES, ESOTERIC AGENDA, WAKE UP CALL, 911 TRUTH RISING.
  Also look on youtube for *ORIGINAL* 911 media casts, look up 911 witness interviews, look up 911 conspiracy.
  If your unable to do so then this world is doomed.

• Middle of the fence : Sep 4, 2008 at 1:01 am

  From what I can tell scanning these posts, the author submits Zeitgeist is completely fabricated due to the filmakers lack of decent graphics / editing equipment and poor taste in background music. At least that is the only evidence I saw presented.

  The only sections of this documentary that interest me are on the Fed and the RealID chip. It appeared in one post that perhaps the author believes the RealID program currently rolling out is a liberal wet dream not to be believed?
  Over 300 in this country alone has been physically chipped and the states fighting it are getting them in passports and drivers licenses. If this does not alarm you then there is nothing anyone can say – end of.

  Many points in this documentary can easily be researched. The poster who wonders how government services are paid without personal income tax should find out on the .gov website. We know the 16th amendment did not give the right to create a new tax, such as the “Federal” income tax, yet it is enforced. In fact it wasn’t even ratified. And you only need to look at your tax form to see that it is clearly labeled as a volunteer tax. And on your state tax, it states that it only needs to be filed if have need to file a federal form. So to answer your question, no federal, no state. Having said that, I pay my taxes although if they weren’t deducted automatically I wouldn’t. All government services and military are paid through other taxes, such as corporate business tax, which there is a law for and legal to collect.

  I don’t argue the 9-11 theories but I wonder why if “our” government has real evidence to disprove any of the questions, they should have. Instead the administration has dodged, avoided and sabotaged any efforts to get at these truths. For the Prez and Vice to talk to a grand jury under such a veil of secrecy, to holding over 70 supporting tapes of the pentagon attack, to the blatant falsities in their 9-11 report, down to the curious reason the Prez would three times claim to have seen the first plane hit the towers while waiting outside a FLorida classroom when it is not possible to have done so.

  Well I won’t go on and on but will leave with this:
  1. Anytime something controversial is released, and labeled the work “conspiracy nuts” and “liberal whatevers”, there always follows attempts to support these ideas which sooner than later dilute the issues with truly off topic garbage and to the undecided, becomes a reason to dismiss the original queries. No matter what, someone will eventually link it to alien lizard people living under Arizona, so it’s important to judge only what can be proved or disproved. Such as the damning quotes in this film. Very easy to prove. (Woodrow Wilson / Thomas Jefferson / Ben Franklin) It is after all, history.

  2. We mostly lack the ability to view of the “big picture”, instead tripping over details and using any minute error to wipe the whole ugly slate clean. We have also allowed conditions to polarize this nation into 2 camps. Whether this was by design as I suspect, the fact is, we have no majority on anything. As a nation of peoples, we will always disagree on plenty of issues, but we really need to look for the issues of importance that need changing and come together for the sheer need to. Constitutional rights and personal freedoms spring to mind. If neither of these appeal to you then I suggest you are living in the wrong country. If they do appeal to you then I suggest saving them at all costs as they are both very “endangered”

  Thanks
  Aaron Russo’s “Freedom to Facism” is a good watch and does no speculating for you. Touches on many points of this film without the scary music or cartoons.

• Dan : Sep 6, 2008 at 1:23 pm

  You bash this movie yet you don’t back it up with any solid evidence or facts.

  I did some research and did find out that most of the religion aspect is inaccurate, then again it’s hard to find the correct information considering everyone discussing the subject is terribly bia’s towards religion or against it.

  The 9/11 part of the film is very hard to dismiss considering the the vast amount of evidence in favor of the conspiracy.

  Have you ever watched the video in which BBC announces the third towers collapse 20 minutes before it happens? You can even see it in the background.

  Just the third tower alone screams “set up.”

  If your going to refute a documentary such at Zeitgeist then at least support it with something credible.

• Jaro : Sep 8, 2008 at 6:11 am

  Interesting discussion. I just have to react creatively to the following statement:

  “I do not see how anybody that thinks logically can believe in any way that an airplane did not hit the Pentagon or crash out in that field.”

  I myself normally laugh hard at all the conspiration theory bs that seems to be everywhere. But come on, I do not see how you can just swollow the crashes. It’s obvious something hit the Pentagon, but I can’t see how a plane they say hit the Pentagon could have done it. So far, I haven’t seen a single crash site without HUGE airplane parts spread all over the crash site. The same goes for the tower collapses. I can’t see that what *they* said happened really happened.

  I’m not saying the US governement did it, nor the CIA or whoever. Just noticing the whole thing stinks really really bad. I don’t know why all the misinformation is presented to us, but it’s quite obvious it is.

• Mr. West. : Sep 10, 2008 at 12:51 pm

  I guess that all who read this create their own personal opinion about everything. Although almost all disagree with the argument that the movie is ridiculously retarded, none do the research for themselves and ask to find all the answers here.

  As for the argument on religion i will have to quote the admin and say “Yup, religion is not real and I accept that, no problem. I don’t need a documentary with a source list shorter than a high school term paper or to have be convinced that its all a deliberate conspiracy.”

  911, I’d like for some of you fucks to tell that to my friend whos parents were both lost in one of the planes hijacked. I guess they were in on this conspiracy and so eager to feed some with so much bullshit they agreed to leave a family behind.

  I can understand how easy it is to belive movies previeously labeled as FEBL, they show their sources and manipulate you into thinking all is ture. However I have found just as many movies responding and/or dismissing the ideas behind these. Will I do it for you negative, do the research. Quit basing what you belive on the beliefs or facts presented by only one movie….or person.

• KTBR : Sep 10, 2008 at 8:00 pm

  I love the weak minded trying to express itself!! YOU ARE ALL A JOKE.

• admin : Sep 12, 2008 at 12:22 pm

  I have posted a new piece about Zeitgeist here: Zeitgeist and the threat of dangerous, pandemic internet memes: http://smashingtelly.com/2008/09/12/zeitgeist-and-dangerous-pandemic-internet-memes/

• Leah : Sep 16, 2008 at 9:57 am

  you dont prove anything at least they show some proof even if it is fake….
  i think you have to admit that there are some true parts in that movie the government is screwing us over
  and its not hard for me to believe that religion was made up to create order becasue its still changing people to be good

• nikki : Sep 18, 2008 at 12:44 am

  for those of u that dismiss this movie as junk, u all have been so brainwashed into thinking that it is- just what the movie is trying to tell u. i think the producer and director did a damn good job of compiling all this information and it is all presented in an orderly fashion. if u have a brain, it should all make sense. they provided video clips of actual news and experts.

  the religion part- duh!…the bible is just a fairy tale and there is no evidence jesus existed. a person born of a virgin and performs miracles…yea umm ok

  the 9/11 part- very chilling. note how Bush stutters and gets flustered when asked questions. duh! cuz hes obviously lying.

  the banking part- yes. rich people are evil.

  the government is evil
  Bush is evil
  the media is evil…

  We are being lied to.

  this movie is great and im gonna tell evryone about it.

• Tom Foremski : Sep 19, 2008 at 2:35 am

  Where can I get one of those chips? Sounds like world peace to me.

• seantaylorda.com : Sep 19, 2008 at 10:14 am

  This movie rocked. Lies or no lies, there is something fucked up in this world, and we all know it. I personally believe everything in this movie, everything except for the RFID chip or whatever its called, being inserted into every human being in the future… lmfao. But the part about Religion, 9/11 and the Federal Reserve… all legit.

• Universe Man : Sep 22, 2008 at 7:55 am

  Zeitgeist is not about whether the facts presented in it are true. It is about mindshare. It does not matter whether 9/11 was an inside job; we proceed as if it is true because the United States government must go. It does not matter whether Christ is the son of God; the Church must be relegated to the sidelines. It does not matter whether income tax enslaves us; the Federal Reserve must be abolished.

  I would venture that this posting is also about mindshare, seeing as how you don’t really bother to refute anything in the movie. I guess it’s fortunate for you that your meme has the backing of all the governments, corporations, and banks.

• Robert Mills : Sep 22, 2008 at 1:04 pm

  “Zeitgeist” is a philosophical term created for the most part by Hegel, but is a Germanic modifiation of Aristotle’s concept of form and reality. In more modern terms, it is a ‘mindset’ underlying all of history, culture and science. Each historical period has a certain Zeitgeist. It has been used in a variety of interpretations including Darwin, Karl Marx, a sub branch of philosophical examination called phenomenology. Both the existentialistrs and liguistic philosphers were reactions to the theory of Zeitgeist, while aanother movement called Process philosphy were modofications of historical materialism and evolutionists. Even Karl Popper was influenced by it.

  reading some of these posts demonstrate the Hegelian logic of an argument, in that a proposal has been made, followed by a counter argument. Now the fianl phase of this logic would positt hat there is a synthesis of the two, making for a new argument, from this process, a new truth can be discovered.

• Robert Mills : Sep 22, 2008 at 1:09 pm

  sorry for the typos near the end of the above post. It should read:

  Reading some of these posts demonstrate the Hegelian logic of an argument, in that a proposal has been made, followed a counter argument. Now the final phase of this logic would posit a syntheses of the two making for a new argument. From this process, a new truth can be discovered.

• am station truth fighter.com : Sep 25, 2008 at 3:59 pm

  THE BAIL_OUT ! History repecting it self…..it’s a chess game that has been in pay for centry..NEW WORLD ORDER….is here..and the people are so brain wash by FOX,CNN Lies(Because it not the real news)… i look at the UK Channel BBC #4.. or 60 min if i want any truth at all….GET READY FOR THE(AMERO) One world Church(Do not be unevenly yo) One world court one world bank(non shill buy are sell without the mark of the beast )which is the name for the goverment master computer(its number 666.. check any barcode 6 outsideleft6center6outsideright NEW WORLD ORDER IS HERE! REAL HELL ON EARTH

• brandon smith : Oct 8, 2008 at 5:40 pm

  what your saying is this film is proapaganda because of the genre it falls in. and should be made fun of because yea that’s what studied writers do when they have no info to dis prove what “zeitgiest” talks about.
  sir you write that this film is “patently false” when really you cant give one single piece of evidence why.
  except for inspirational slader to ralley your troops against a film you can’t heave a shread of truth against.
  they didn’t set up a central bank in your head because “why would they do that?” and in return you slander lou dobbs as racist to cover up for your inability to come up with anything relevant to the film that you thinik is bullshit.
  I

• Michael S****Z : Oct 9, 2008 at 4:21 am

  I find this film intriguing to say the least. I’m a little concerned, however, that while tackling subjects of such great complexity, history, and controversy, it is done in just a 2 hour film, rife with powerful imagery and sounds (I’m very suspicious of videos and films with a clear agenda or viewpoint making dramatic use of imagery and sounds to help illustrate or convey their message, as it is often tantamount to propaganda… if the information is so compelling, why the necessity to tie in imagery and sounds that most certainly serve to stimulate emotions and to convey certain feelings… all effective propaganda makes use of these methods as it is proven to be influential… and I understand that it serves to make the film more entertaining, but if the film is so serious about getting out such an important message and “truth,” making the film “entertaining” seems to be contradictory to the message… now I’m not saying that this discredits the film or its facts and ideas in any way necessarily, but these things always give me reason for pause and suspicion when they are so heavily relied upon).

  Also, most legitimate and scholarly works tackling or refuting long standing logic or understanding, do so not just by presenting and then refuting conventional wisdom, but by also acknowledging how the defenders of that conventional wisdom would counter these new claims, and then further elaborating on why and how the refutation of the conventional understanding is a more rational or reasonable answer than the opposition’s rebuttal. I saw refutation of conventional wisdom in this film and the presentation of an alternative theory, that much was clear. However, the film seemed to fail to offer a fair perspective of how proponents of the conventional wisdom would respond, thus the film was extraordinarily one-sided. For example, if I was to make a case for why the Saints were a better football organization than the Cowboys (I would never be silly enough to do such a thing), of course I would reference a myriad of things that would support my position and counter the prevailing wisdom that the Cowboys are indeed better i.e. the recent record of the 2 heads up, recent playoff wins, talent of players etc. This film does that, and quite effectively I might add. However, it fails to offer the counter-perspective, which is always existent in every case, that the opposition would rebut with, thus failing to illustrate any legitimate points or refutations that proponents of religion or of other ideas that the film takes issue with would undoubtedly have, hurting the films credibility of offering an honest and full argument. I mean, conventional wisdom isn’t as entrenched as it is because its arguments or logical support base is so easily proved false or illogical. Thus while I might be able to skew an argument in my favor by intentionally leaving out the opposition mindset’s defense, my argument would hold much more merit if I were to explain how Cowboys fans would disagree with me and then lay out their case for them, followed by my reassertion and logical conclusions of how my argument remains more rational. If my case really was as compelling as I claim (which of course it isn’t), then I would very clearly counter all of their positions or at least provide a compelling enough argument to prove that my position is strong and reasonable. One of the weaknesses of the film, and another one of the things that I find concerning about it, is its absence of this method. It lays out its case, contrary to conventional wisdom, and simply moves on as if it is now proven, failing to go into depth or to offer a legitimate display of their opposition’s positions or would be responses to their assertions.

  I understand that there is only so much they can fit into a film, which is why I would love to see the arguments laid out in this film and the general theories it proposes to be incorporated into a text. A book tackling all these same issues and making the same case as the movie would offer much greater depth, citations, and a clearer method of making the case. Likewise it would eliminate all the unnecessary diversions away from the substantive message created by the sounds and images that conjure up a sense of propaganda. If the creators of this work are as dedicated to the ideas of the film and the dispersion of its message to as great an audience as possible, garnering support and academic or scholarly legitimacy is crucial and could be easily attained by publishing a book. There is no reason, if the arguments are so compelling and the subjects so important, that the thesis and information collected in the creation of this film should not be incorporated into a book, published, and then distributed to the masses for consumption, review, and serious analysis of the facts.

  Now again, I’m in no way attacking this film. I think many of the points made are intriguing and very compelling, but how strongly can they withstand scrutiny? Has anything been overlooked or misrepresented? I would imagine in the case of a work like this, tackling such broad and difficult subject matters dating back to the very fundamentals of science, human civilization, and human philosophy, particularly recognizing that the opposition’s perspective was often neglected or not adequately addressed or acknowledged in the film, that things were overlooked or not addressed in enough detail. These issues would much better be dealt with in a book, which could go into as much depth and analysis as necessary, and still many things would most certainly be left out. One work is never the answer. But it is a start, and that in and of itself is important. If some of the notions of this film are in fact true, than it must be brought to light and it must done conclusively. This film fails in that pursuit. A book is necessary, and could then be countered with responses, addressing ideas overlooked or misrepresented. These responses could then be followed up by other works, reasserting why the original theses were correct or addressing new issues raised by the opposition that they may have failed to address. A healthy debate and uncovering of facts would be the end result of such an endeavor and would be the clearest and most transparent route for the public to determine what is or is not the truth, or to at least better inform them of the issues if the truth is still (as it most probably would be) unclear.

  The section about religion itself could fill an entire book! The subject matter is important and the concerns are entirely legitimate. The film certainly raises a lot of questions and makes everyone AT LEAST ponder another possible reality. I am wary of those who claim to be absolutely convinced that the movie is either the all-telling truth or merely a labyrinth of absurd conspiracy theories with absolutely no foundation. We have to display restraint when our emotions or human weaknesses in belief and understanding compel us to believe one thing or another in spite of inadequate information or knowledge. Do you TRULY have enough knowledge to be convinced 100% that God and the Christian Bible is the truth?? Honest Christians would say no, and then reference the importance of faith. Thus the truth is certainly in doubt in regards to the creation of the universe and the fate of man. There is no shame in acknowledging this fact. Man is in no position to fully understand his origins or those of the universe or the how and why of how everything is or came about. He can theorize and have faith in a belief, but this is not a compelling display of the truth. Likewise, can someone clearly prove that no higher power has had a hand in the creation or dictation of the universe and all it encompasses? Hardly. Nor can one concretely prove (at least not to date, which is why a book would be highly necessary if the facts necessary for proof are in existence) that the world is run by a transnational group of individuals who are laying out a plan to subjugate the masses of the world’s population through centuries of corruption and conspiracy, of which, among others, include the highest officials in the US government, of which have been implicated in an attack on their own people of a scale in which secrecy would be near impossible. In fact, such a longstanding conspiracy involving so many and including free and democratic societies in which information could hardly be claimed to be suppressed, is highly unlikely. Certainly for one to make such a claim it would require overwhelming and near indisputable proof before being taken seriously.

  The “truth” is an elusive concept. And in many cases, we may have to realize that we are either incapable of attaining it due to the limitations of human abilities (i.e. our limited intellectual or cognitive capacities) or that the “truth” will often and forever be subjective, as differing ideologies and perspectives will always lead the “truth” to be interpreted differently, though certainly some truths inherently lend themselves solely to objective acceptance as such by all rational beings (Earth is round, matter exists, Elvis is dead, etc.).

  Thus lets take the film for what it is, intriguing and successful in raising a number of strong questions and notions. But it is in no way an eye-opening answer to the complexities of human history or the difficulties and dangers of the contemporary world that uncovers the mystery and answers all the questions as much as Oliver Stone’s “JFK” was an example of an uncovering of the truth behind the Kennedy assassination. While visually and acoustically pleasing and raising many compelling arguments, the truth is still far from evident and we are merely left with entertaining theories that may or may not be true.

  Thus the film was an intellectually stimulating piece in my opinion, but for those coming away from it convinced that it has uncovered some hidden truth, I would urge more skepticism. And for those discrediting it as complete and utter non-sense, I would also urge more skepticism, but in the direction of some of your commitments to your own concept of truth that you feel the film runs contrary too. None of us as far as I am aware, are all knowing, so we can all learn a similar healthy lesson and come away feeling humbled in our own knowledge and understanding.

  Wow I’ve rambled on…

• Emmett Dempsey : Oct 12, 2008 at 10:02 pm

  I just watched the movie, and I have to say it was moving. I just wish Part I was omitted altogether. The whole religion bit seemed more of a distraction, and over half of the responses on this post are about the religion part. Personally, I have always been Agnostic, because my parents didn’t force any religion on my one way or another. OK, erase the religion part…..

  The parts about monetary policy is very very applicable especially with all this financial turmoil going on. I would say the mass devaluation described is coming shortly. I work in the mortgage market, and FAR LESS people are eligible for loans. Therefore, less money will be created. And the black hole of money supply will happen. I believe wholeheartedly in the monetary policy part. Also how many of you have seen or heard those “Cash for Your Gold” commercials? Seems they want to get anything of value OUT of circulation.

  I am not one of those conspiracy types, but this movie was eye opening. And I agree there have not been any salient counterpoints to anything brought up in the movie. I am all ears….

• $☏ : Oct 12, 2008 at 11:58 pm

  Why wouldn’t make sense for a small group of the wealthy and powerful want control over the sheeple of the world?

  Ever read Fahrenheit 451?

  or

  The Lucifer Principle?

  Conspiracy is not conspiracy when hidden in plain sight.

  We are to lazy to do anything about it, and that is what greedy people love.

  We might try to stop a horrible event from happening only if it conflicts with the reality t.v. show we might be missing..

• i am smarter than you : Oct 13, 2008 at 6:28 pm

  To the morons who believe in the premise of this movie:
  Do you really expect someone to convince a moron like you in a paragraph to change you thoughts that soaked your brain during a movie that took months to make and lasts for what 3 hours?
  There are thousands of falsehoods and ridiculous conclusions drawn in this. I will give you one minor example. They say there were temperatures of 2000 degrees in the rubble of 9/11 and jet fuel only burns at 1500 degrees…AAHHHAAA, proof of some CIA plot or whatever. Thats like going into your backyard mulch pile and believing your neighbor is secretly adding chemicals to your lawn at night to poison you because the temperature gets to over 150 degrees. I have a degree in mechanical engineering btw and know a few things about buildings, thermodynamics and physics. I guess I shouldnt be surprised though. There will always be some conspiracies and morons to believe them. But maybe you and Rosie Odonnell can take your followers and live somewhere else. That would be nice.

• it may not be the best but it's better than what we have... : Oct 14, 2008 at 6:11 pm

  We’ve been conditioned to think negatively about this issue. This conditioning has been part of a widespread social engineering plan created by the largest corporations in the world designed to ensure that all the power remains in the hands of the few. In fact, the defragmentation of our minds is so pervasive, it blinds us from the truth when it’s right in front of us. Regardless of what you believe, you can’t deny the mathmatical fact that the Federal Reserve is a downward spiral. The largest corporations also publicly donate money to both U.S. presidential candidates. Why would they do that? Just to be nice? Naturally they have their own agenda–which is, after all, the bottom line. Lobbying results in the death of democracy because it buys out the elected voice of the people and forces him or her to plan with their profit agendas in mind. George W. just wasn’t good enough at hiding these facts–and that’s ironically what these corporate fat-cats wanted in the first place–a dumb facade, an ass, a scapegoat for their greedy activities. Ensure a dumb president won’t be impeached by an equally dumb nation and the cream of the private sector can take all the cash in existence. All they need to do is put a veil over everyone’s eyes. Have everyone concerned about gay marriage by plugging it over and over and over. The most popular news sources are owned by four companies which means that a very small group of people control what is aired and what isn’t. Does this not perturb you at all? And how many more products and restaurants are going to herd us onto our computers to play futile games on the internet. There are codes on virtually everything today that allow you to enter for a chance to win online. While you’re there you’ll be told to drink Coke and visit classmates.com, all just to take your mind off the horrific system of slavery that we truly live in and the devastating exploitation it creates through globilization.

• i am smarter than you : Oct 15, 2008 at 6:45 pm

  I give you one point. Lobbying should be banned totally. But its only natural for the powerful to try to retain power, to get richer, just like it is only natural that there will always be some people who are stupid, lazy, ugly and or a drain on society. As long as there are forces to combat them, like uncorrupt unions, informed citizens… it will remain in check. Our society, our form of government, our form of capitalism is as good as it gets for humans. Nothing is perfect that is made up and touched by man. If you dont like it, seriously, go live somewhere else.

• Truth : Oct 15, 2008 at 7:18 pm

  You people are a bunch of fucking morons, It’s so sad how stupid and blind the majority of us are. Open your eyes and wake up. You wouldn’t admit to something so obvious if it flew into your own fucking house.

• Michael S****Z : Oct 15, 2008 at 10:36 pm

  “And I agree there have not been any salient counterpoints to anything brought up in the movie.”

  I’ve read many comments on here suggesting this notion. The entire 9/11 section has been rebutted prominently by Popular Mechanics and a special aired on the History Channel. You people must not be looking very hard to find counter perspectives because you want to believe so badly that its true.

  http://www.skepticcat.blogspot.com/2008/08/911-conspiracies-fact-or-fiction.html

  And notice how these pieces actually give both sides of the story and lay out their opponents’ arguments in an honest fashion. None of that was offered in Zeitgeist, as I stated in my previous post. You can’t just watch a single program professing such Earth shattering and fantastic claims and just accept it as true without researching or at least finding a response from others.

• it may not be the best but it's better than what we have... : Oct 16, 2008 at 2:41 pm

  I don’t want to live anywhere else. I want to stay and see my country in a positive light someday. I admit the film has propaganda, but isn’t it scary that we reduce ourselves to witch hunters whenever we see the slightest bit of controversy? This seems like the boy who cried wolf on a global scale. Even if God himself came to earth and told everyone His plan, no one would believe it. I don’t believe in God, but if I were proved wrong, I would change my thinking.
  Skepticism is a very important tool that we must employ at all times in life. I just fear we’ll be too busy mud-slinging to ever see a good idea again. I agree, radical ideas are often unfounded and have vague implications on the future, but if you honestly believe that we are doing a good job at keeping our country and the world in check, you’re wrong. The evidence is net profit reports from large American corporations who have ties with political candidates. If Haliburton made a SINGLE CENT from these presidential terms (and we know they have), the theory of democracy is null and void and therefore, the system is completely out of control because it relies purely on money interests and not the values of the commen man/woman/child. Instead of forcing “democracy” overseas, how about shedding a little over here?! The U.S., just like the British Empire, has raped resources from countries that couldn’t possibly afford them. That’s not free trade–when you encourage a leader to sell his people out and choose between freely giving his resources and being assassinated, democracy is NULL AND VOID! We aren’t in control because we are ruthless murderers on the grand stage and the average citizen is tought to care less.

  But I guess that sounds too “left-ist”. At least Zeitgeist (in the context we’re discussing it) has only philanthropy in mind instead of “domination through any means”.

  So no, I will not go live somewhere else. I am a part of this country and my voice will be heard.

• i am smarter than you : Oct 16, 2008 at 3:30 pm

  “I don’t believe in God, but if I were proved wrong, I would change my thinking.”

  How could someone “prove” to you the existence of God? Answer – They could’nt.
  Your thinking is so juvenile. Democracy is “null and void” because its not perfect? This is the REAL WORLD my friend not a fantasy made up in your head while you were in some super-liberal college professor’s classroom. Grow up and get with the program.

• you're smarter than a 5th grader, i'll give you that... : Oct 18, 2008 at 7:46 am

  Juvenile, eh? Like posting your name as “i am smarter than you”. How adult….
  So you’re suggesting that we just sit back in this “real world” and let anyone take as much as they want from us, correct? I’m not a “super-liberal”, I went to University and medical school for the purpose of aiding humanity, not let it wither away like an apathetic lump of shit…
  But I’m sorry, I can’t “get with the program” as the program is not suited for us. It is suited for business interests ONLY.
  I think it’s you that needs to “get with the program” and join the “real world”.
  The ultra-right wing likes to use the fact the God can’t be proven as PROOF that he does exist. Because when it comes down to it, faith trumps all. Do you think someone who believes that a day of reckoning will come for those who have sinned should be in charge of the highest office in the world? If they leave things in God’s hands, we’ll get nowhere.
  In any case, you’re right, God can’t be proven. But what’s the difference? If God can’t be proven, then we should give no more credit to the scriputres than we do to a fictional story book. Why is it that people give so much value to religion when it can’t be proven? Cinderella can’t be proven as false, should we start a cult devoted to HER? We give the same blind, unconditional value to our government…and that’s just how they want it.

  So don’t talk to me about the real world and how I live in a fantasy…you agreed with me on lobbying–doesn’t lobbying singularly prove that the system is not geared toward the common man, but rather toward private sector interests? How about the fact that the top 1% owns half the world? We can safely rely on that fact as well. I’m sure even you can agree that on some level, every government is corrupt in its own way. Naturally the degree of their greed is what affects us the most, but even if there is an OUNCE of greed, we can’t get to the ideal world that we’re supposed to be living in. Why has the government not completely embraced green engery or green infratstructure to generate green jobs–helping both the economy and the environment? WHY WHY WHY?! Could it be because there are still a few drops of oil to be sold?
  Since green energy is renewable and therefore less costly/less of an investment opportunity, that 1% doesn’t want any part of it. But the rest of the world DOES, obviously. All I’m trying to say is that the world could be a LOT better with just a few changes. To sit back and take the world as it is, well that’s just lazy and dangerous.

  If the world isn’t geared toward the common man, then the common man should rise up. We used to have revolts and revolutions? Now we sit on our couch and stuff mcdonald’s in our faces while watching strangers marry each other for money. If you’re happy doing that, great! But don’t criticize the people who want what’s supposed to be in our grasp already.

• you're smarter than a 5th grader, i'll give you that... : Oct 18, 2008 at 7:48 am

  nix the question mark in my last paragraph.
  thx

• mopski : Oct 20, 2008 at 9:03 am

  IMHo…zeitgeist is a good movie by making people think what’s going around they may have some facts upside down and made up as it seems but the point they try bring up is good and any logical person should not take these facts as the only truth. Btw for me this movie even proves a point that i cant take this movie enough seriously as well in such serious topics id rather think hard and twice before judging. I liked the quotes in that movie. My favorite was “They must find it difficult…those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority.”—Gerald Massey…..

• i have eyes and ears : Oct 27, 2008 at 9:13 am

  i am only 18.
  let’s just focus on 911 ( i think it is a big enough topic in the movie that it in and of itself deserves a HUGE amount of attention and discussion)
  im just looking for truth. im trying to not fall head first into what the government or zeitgeist tells me.
  but unless every single thing in zeitgeist is completely false, there is enough truth or at least light onto things that may be false, that if the government wasn’t trying to hide something, these topics would be addressed and any confusion extinguished. why is the government hiding anything? that to me seems like a bright red flag saying “hey people of our nation, we are lying about something”
  i just dont get it….the fire, the passport, the basement bombs, the lava, george w’s inability to answer questions fully and truthfully. george w bush is not a stupid guy.
  it is easy to explain and prove the truth.
  the fact that there can be a “conspiracy” theory as widely known and recognized as zeitgeist, makes me wonder….if i were the government and knew about zeitgeist (which you can bet your ass they do know about) why wouldnt they simply prove zeitgeist’s points to be false and explain the facts that they claim to be true? simple as that. but they havent. and it leaves me very uncertain and uncomfortable. can someone aid my discomfort?

• Open your eyes : Oct 27, 2008 at 11:20 am

  Why of course everyone is going to have a fit about this movie. It basically tells us the opposite of what most of our lives heard or believed. That religion is false.
  What doesnt surprise me is that everyone of course would think this movie is bullshit. Because they grew up thinking and believe about something that wasnt there and the world put all this stuff into their heads just in the end to make a profit and to control the people.

  I dont really care about part 2 or 3 because the government will always be crooked. Always has been, always will. Because they can , and they do it easily because all your minds are already brainwashed by everything, especiall the media. People like power and once they have it , they want more and more and can never let go. If the real truth got out , there would be anger and panic. The people would soon have control of the government. But they obviously will not let that happen by any means

  Anyways, about part 1.
  The entertainment part of it doesnt even matter. Thats not what your supposed to be looking at and paying attention to. Its the big picture, the deep meaning audio and the detailed explanations.
  If everyone thinks this part is so false, someone tell me how god jesus and religion all has the same concepts, and relates to Egyptian religion. As they said it and it makes total sense if you think about it, the sun is the basis of it all.

  Someone also explain to me how jesus relates to the equinox’s and it all just fits in.

  This film is a total mind fuck. – about the religion point of interest

  of course your going reject it and yell and scream at it. When your under the influence of somthing you dont understand you put it out.

  All this time weve been fighting wars basically over nothing. Falisties. Religion the story of the sun??

  Sounds pretty fucking similar.

• vmr979 : Nov 1, 2008 at 9:48 pm

  For all of you who DO NOT BELIEVE that our banking system is corrupt, this film was released in 2007 when our economy and the stock market was in its best shape; look where we are now!!! Don’t you see that history as told in ZEITGEIST has repeated itself. Our Government just gave the Banks $700 Billion to “Bail our Wall Street” BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT

  Let’s wake up people, we continue to give more money to the wealthy few. This movie is right, our Government is a FRAUD!!!! and by the way I am an American Soldier who regrets wearing the uniform after realizing this big fat lie.

• Matt : Nov 7, 2008 at 11:25 am

  I think the most important thing from films like this is not that you take everything said as true, but that you think about the questions being raised. This film seems pretty convincing, but ive only beun to look into its sources and other people’s ideas on the topics. I think at the root of this film are some good ideas and a spirit to not just let others decide for us. I would urge anyone watching films like this, whatever the opinion of the film is, to think critically about the questions being raised.

• MrZ : Nov 17, 2008 at 12:33 am

  Alright people… here is my opinion, my perspective, take it only in that way… think for yourself… draw your own conclusions…

  Enough with trying to debunk 911 – which is now a conspiracy. Conspiracies are events that have such diluted, contorted, conflicting facts that no agreeable judgment or ratification can be concluded because our system of proof relies on factual basis. Everyone is searching and comparing facts, running in circles of he said she said. Facts can’t successfully prove truth, truth is actually felt. Can we prove Jesus or other religious icons are real? Can we prove there are souls or spirits? Can we actually prove gravity (we really can’t, even though you think we can)? (For religious people, this might go against your beliefs and inner agreement system… but that’s ok, theres a time…) – So with all of that said, the only point I will draw is if there is one item that is not correct in the whole 911 situation, then the entire event is extremely questionable. A building that never suffered an impact or severe structural impact nicely (and almost planned) compacts to the ground… how does that happen? Theres your one thread of disbelief… the rest is history.

  As for proving religious topics… Have you met jesus? Have you talked to horus. Forget about religion. For those of us that can think outside the box, religion is already debunked and has been for a long time. Sorry fellow religious people, please do not take this as any sort of personal attack. Don’t try to contest my opinion, as it is only a misuse of your energy and won’t have the effect you desire. :-/

  Zeitgeist’s point was to show the profit driven world we live in. We are acting on a “separated” mentality and not acting as a species. We are a part of nature. We are an organism (not going into depth). We need to act as one and for the benefit of one. Yes, these philosophies are Utopian, and to those who haven’t been “awakened” believe this concept is very unattainable. However, all I can say is it’s a matter of time. Go on with your beliefs and inner agreement systems, but life will unfold, things will happen, events will occur, and life will as nature does, change.

  I write this only with the intent that maybe one person questions them self. I hope to reach one person. As long as I’ve done that, this was complete success of my time.

  For the record, I live in a mountain and donate my time and energy towards helping humanity in this pivotal time we are entering. Learn to survive, get back to the basics… One day you might need it. My love goes out to everyone. If you let any of my message effect you negatively, my love and sorrow reaches out to you.

  Peace.

• the color blindman : Nov 17, 2008 at 10:37 pm

  I think that when it comes down to forming any kind of opinion on this documentary, it really is in the overall theme of the content. This being that the world we live in is an incredibly complicated place. As individuals we cannot possibly even attempt to maintain a truthful view of all that is presented to us as fact in life. Can anyone person or otherwise, group of people, uncover without a reasonable doubt what caused the collapse of the towers on 911. There’s multiple accounts of witnesses to the event stating that they both saw and heard things on that day that contrast with the official account presented in the commission report. On the other hand, some people believe that the tragedy happened exactly according to the book. My point being, there is no true certainty here. We are all at odds with a powerful force, our government, which has immense sway over our live whether we choose to realize it or not. Arguments could be made on either side of the glass that look upon from. Excuse me if I’ve gotten off my original point but I think that Zeitgeist, whether it may be a huge falsity based off of incredibly exaggerated “facts” and rationalizations, or a slight insight into “the truth” of the reality we all live in, one thing is clear and that is that the documentary urges the viewer to think! That is something which is becoming ever more scarce in the day and age we dwell in. The piece can be a positive motivational piece of film or it can be a huge detour away from the actual nature of things. Perhaps the biggest question of all is, who can be truly certain they are right? We are merely observers of things that are presented throughout life. This movie serves whatever purpose its viewer allows it to. This is provided that the individual watching is going into the experience with an open mind, as well as with his or her feet planting firmly in the desire to know what is called “truth”. We all have the potential to be incorrect, as we all have the capabilities of being right, and that is at any given moment. Thanks for reading and considering.

• the color blindman : Nov 17, 2008 at 10:50 pm

  I didn’t even see Mrz’s comment above my own but I’m in high agreement with some of his main points. Those being, that humans as a whole are one species with many of the same inherited emotions a natural inclinations. I’m not religious. I’m not trying to preach in any way. I’m simply saying that if humans somehow were able to see past our superficial, cultural, and individual habitual differences through evolution or whatever it may take, we’d more than likely find a way to benefit from one another as a whole. I think the world needs to start looking at itself in a new manner, as unrealistic as that may be for this period that we’re in. I think it is more important to keep eyes set on the ultimate goal of any organism inhabiting this planet, which is nothing more than the advancement and ultimate survival of our kind. once again thanks all.

• Eyes Wide Open : Nov 19, 2008 at 3:41 pm

  Fog Cutter hit the nail right on the head…..the reason why this film has been dismissed so easily is because we are all conditioned to do so. It’s the feeling of being threatened with the “unknown” or in this case, what is known and is not being said. It’s like the big elephant in the middle of the room that no one wants to talk about.

  I believe the best point this film made was that we are one planet, one species; we are not divided into sub-categories of Human Beings. We all run with the same orgins and same color of blood. So, why not believe in the idea that we can all come together and create a better world/society? Why is it so far-fetched that we have a corrupt government? A corrupt system that doesn’t work? It may have been useful in the past, but we don’t live in the past; we live in the present, in the NOW. Our technology wasn’t what it was 20-30-40 years ago! We’re suppose to “EVOLVE” and “GROW” and I find that people have not; civilization here has not. That is the point of this world; that is the point of us being the “smarter and greater” species; to move FORWARD…..HELLO PEOPLE!!!

  There are plenty of countries that put they’re people first and live on a Philosophical System, as oppose to an Economical System; there is no need for currency because everyone helps each other; no need for prisons because everyone helps each other (I am referring to Norway, which is paradise to me!) THIS is what the US should be, especially since we are so powerful and influential around the globe.

• Good style shame about the content : Nov 20, 2008 at 6:37 pm

  This film is truly ridiculous, until today I had only seen the first two parts ie the loose change rip off and the totally irrelevant first section which seems to think that to show relgion is bullshit we have to claim that Jesus didn’t exist.

  However I found the last section which I watched today even more stupid than the previous sections. Perhaps its an American thing (I’m English) but I find it bizzare that a film that claims to be preaching a left wing radical view point is so massively opposed to the idea of income tax. The maker of this film is also apparently opposed to the American entry into world war 2 despite the fact that it is likely this alone that prevented the victory of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan two of the most evil regeims in history and quotes approvingly Nazi sympathiser and exterme rightwinger Charles Lindberg.

  Apart from anything else this film demonstrated a massive lack of even the most basic historical knowledge just to pick up a few points: 1) Japan was not an enemy of Britain until it also attacked Pearl Harbour so it is hard to see how the US support for the british war effort against the Nazi could have been a justification for the Japanese attack.
  2) During its discussion of the Vietnam war the film calls the rule that US troops should not pursue the Vietcong into Laos or Cambodia ridiculous. However when late in the war Kissinger and Nixon expaneded the war to Vietnams neighbours the result was a massive war crime and the deaths of millions of Cambodians at the hands of the Khmer Rouge

  The film also shows its simplistic nature in its claims that if the government wanted something it would have it, therefore the failing education system in the US is a delibarate plan by those in power, as was the Wall Street crash. In some ways these conspiricy theorists are greater believers in the government than anyone else, “of course America didn’t just lose the Veitnam war the truth is we didn’t want to win it” “Of course we didn’t just totally fuck up in Iraq, the total chaos and emergance of an Iranian allighned government there was part of the plan too.” I think the best response to these views on the power of governent can be found in the South Park episode Mystery of the Urinal Deuce.

  Sorry if all this seems a bit harsh, I agree that the power of big business is worrying, as is/was the Bush era although thankfully thats drawring to a close, but I also think that if you want to get to the truth of the modern world that requires intelligent nuanced thinking, as far as I can see the makers of Zeitgeist were more concerned in making a biased simple narrative by shoehorning and distorting the facts than making any sort of serious attempt to criticise the influence of big business in the world.

• Nikola : Nov 23, 2008 at 5:55 pm

  Hello. I agree Zeitgeist is a heap of junk. I just wanted to comment on the question you raise “why would a conspiratorial public body setup a private central bank?”

  Well, disregarding the qualifier “conspiratorial”, I’d say the short answer to that is that it would be contrary to the US constitution for the government to meddle with the economy directly. So, setting up a “private” central bank which would be run by their men is a perfect workaround until they dare to do something more concrete.

  For the long answer, I’d recommend reading “What has government done to our money?” by Murray N. Rothbard which you can find here: http://www.mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

  Cheers,
  Nikola

• Truman : Nov 24, 2008 at 6:26 pm

  Admin, you’re a moron, committed to a set of beliefs you apparently need. Others say it politely, so as not to enable you to discredit them over use of insults. My insult to you is in lieu of the effort to enlighten you. You … in your critique, never address that there’s a problem with every piece of evidence released regarding 9/11 (obviously the religion debate is a closed casket subject), and we’re withheld from seeing the majority of evidence, yet, thats just conspiracy theorist mumbo jumbo. Forget the contrived phone calls purportedly made from passengers. Perhaps they did have such bizarre conversations. Forget the 3rd building that had no reason to fall falling – happens all the time, a … concert of building collapses through the path of greatest resistance. And while we’re at it, yeah, you’re right. All paying taxes together (irrespective of the place it goes) IS what unites us as americans! What a wonderful concept you have of unity. Certainly, the fact that most things are taxed at importation or manufacture wouldn’t count as revenue. Certainly that most things have taxes built in doesn’t mitigate our countries costs.. and CLEARLY, we’re doing the right thing investing in new Jets such as the 100 million dollar F22, instead of education (while we fall below 3rd world countries). These conspiracy plans ARE too big to organize … thats why there’s a trail of evidence for skeptics to follow.

• Truman : Nov 24, 2008 at 6:55 pm

  There are errors in the film – but thats not the point. The point is, why are the errors of THIS film so important, yet the errors of our nation so woefully accepted?

  Its impossible to fathom a world without a tool of exchange as comprehensive and versatile as money. So, where the films stretch out and attempt to throw solutions, and fail, is too bad. Here’s the important thing:

  No ONE point that is found to be flawed, serves to negate the rest of the valid questions.

  With regard to our entry of WWII – it’d all be fine and just had we not provoked Japan. But we did… if a nation cut off any commodity supply as important as oil to us, we regard that as an open act of war. These are fine lines, so much so, that when we cruise our naval vessels towards a country, we have to ‘tac’ … zigzag if you will. Because to travel in the most efficient line can be perceived as hostility. We cut of their supplies for a LONG time. They finally replied.. and we were warned. Its not news released via zeitgeist that pearl harbor was facilitated. The rules of engagement aren’t the opinion of zeitgeist. Those were released locally as of, 85 was it? Well, the NVA new of them in the 70’s – why the delay of us knowing what we enabled them to know? Its so obvious and sad that its like telling a Jew the holocaust didn’t happen. Its criminal. The funding of both sides is the validation of the false flag, and the insult to injury, simultaneously. Or, are we saying false flag operations don’t occur? Wake up nay sayers. The facts get ugly if you’re willing to do a little research. Its just coincidental that our newest fleet was out to see when pearl harbor was attacked? All these coincidences are just, circumstantial? Why do our legal systems use these statistical implausibilities as basis for convictions. There are many crimes committed who’s details we can’t know – the guilty parties rarely reveal all their information. We just have to look at it skeptically and decide if we’re being lied to, and if the party identified was involved – then we convict and sentence. Its good for the micro, but not the macro?

  I could have, and perhaps should have written this with more concern for what will be implied by my low-effort style. I realize that if I misspell a word that it will to some people, nullify our confusing ROE (rules of engagement – excuse the jargon, I’m a former Marine) in Vietnam. Or, if I don’t separate my thoughts by paragraph, that it will negate the rationale of why we’ve entered most conflicts (please DO research the Gulf of Tonkin claim). But to those of you who’s mind has compelled them to discredit me for the types of irrelevant feature of communication I’ve just mentioned, audit your motives. It would seem you’re not capable of debating the issue at hand, but rather, are vying to protect a particular set of beliefs and feelings.

  The problem, to me, really is that it would require a COMPLETE revolution, misery for most, sacrifice of lives, and uncertainty of improvement. We may struggle and lose. Ultimately, the hedonic treadmill suggests that it doesn’t really matter, anyway. The human psyche can adapt to very unpleasant conditions and find relative happiness, challenge.. and necessarily requires hardship to appreciate the contrast, happiness. And even if all this occurred, we’d still ultimately require a means for men to compete and differentiate themselves as that is our method of mate-selection, and once that is the focus, who’d watch the watchers? We’d be vulnerable to this same schema repeatedly. I can’t imagine it differently, but that doesn’t mean it impossible… just means there’d be a new set of problems.

  The guy they segue the clip of, talking about “The old nationalist appeals of territoriality..” is Carl Sagan, and anyone, whichever stance you take on me and my opinion here, would be well advised to watch Cosmos, A Personal Voyage. Its the most informative and enlightened production in history I’d dare say.

• anonymous : Nov 25, 2008 at 9:31 pm

  “we are all small potatoes…………” its this mentality thats helps false institutions keep us in the dark. Martin luther king, Ghandi and many others that have made a difference all started as individuals. i think the kid from coach carter puts it best “ur greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,
  but that we are powerful beyond measure.”
  “as we let our own light shine, we consciously give
  other people permission to do the same.
  As we are liberated from our fear,
  our presence automatically liberates others. ”

  words are never enough, we’re all gonna have to grow some balls and take action

  peace and love

• anonymous : Nov 27, 2008 at 7:32 am

  I find ‘conspiracy nuts’ justs as frustrating as the person who wrote the original comment , and although it seems stupid to come to the conclusion that there is some kind of global conspiracy to create a ‘corporate world’ there is a lot to be said for Zeitgeist. Religion is used by the most powerful to control the masses. The federal reserve does impose a kind of tax upon US citizens. Banks have often collapsed entire economies for their own advantage. Pearl Habour was most likely a manufactured incident. The US governement must have known it was going to happen. Why else were all the air craft carriers that were most essential to a war effort moved from Pearl Harbour just days before. The Louisiana was sent out knowingly with the intention of entering the war. The network press around the world does have a huge influence around the world. Here in the UK the murdoch press essentially decides who wins our elecetions. Irrelevant of whether you believe in the ‘ world conspiracy’ pretty much all of what is stated in theis documentary is fact. How you interpret it is up to you. But you cannot just dismiss what it says, without first refuting the facts within it.

• Speak : Nov 29, 2008 at 5:05 pm

  As far as people wanting religion out of this world, that will never happen. Atheism is a religion which is what you believe. Basically, you want your religion to be dominant. Everybody makes a decision based off of a religious belief, believe it or not. “I serve no god. There is no such thing as a god. I will simply rot in the ground when I die like every other animal.” – That is what you believe in. You believe you have no consequences. Do you really want world police to have that belief too? You don’t. Do you want to know why? Because if you want good leaders, you will want leaders with a peaceful religion. Otherwise, they can do whatever they want, when they want, how they want without thinking twice if it’s right. What is right? Right is only what’s accepted to be right in this world – if you have are an atheist.

  As The Joker quoted in The Dark Knight – “They’re [police] only as good as the world allows them to be.”

  Now, I sure wouldn’t want the world making up what is right… you wouldn’t either if you actually knew what is happening.

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• bob roberts : Nov 30, 2008 at 11:35 am

  I thought this film was flaky

• Jim Lippard : Dec 6, 2008 at 2:36 pm

  I have a lengthier critique of Zeitgeist here:

  http://lippard.blogspot.com/2008/06/zeitgeist-movie.html

• anonymousII : Dec 12, 2008 at 8:08 pm

  First of all I’d like to say the documentary has me going. I did some research and am open to all possible truths. This are my faith-related thoughts about some of it, for instance Part 1. It struck me as odd to see these simple cartoon images of the devil, along with the crowd laughing to this comedian; this concept should be representing a dark devil force as some kind of great being- a force of the universe far beyond our knowing, The very source of Destruction, Lies, Seduction, Mass Unawareness and the enemy of God-, but no we get a cartoon; and as for the image of a God, the familiar white clouds in blue sky, with Santa Claus happily poppin’up seems a bit dumb and even too easy to me, pure childbook interpretation channelled to the public; as if it’s comon and logical to not take that sort of stuff serious whatsoever, even without considering far beyond what you get to hear and see on this planet, anywhere you look. Can you emagine in any way that what hypothetically might surround us, what goes on while we wonder why we can’t find what we’re looking for and while we stare at the ground? I think its real important for people to look around and get in touch with our being and the ground under our feet, we are all the same. We should not be denying what brings us together, wether it be God as a Person or Spirit, The Universe, ‘What the bleep do we know’;……. Ongoing to the End of Times Part in Zeitgeist, about the chip getting inplanted: This book called Revelations already has reveald the Number of the Beast, it’s the biblicall and early prediction for a device, or mark, ripping people from their last bit of freedom as an individual. And probably explained as necessery for your own safety. ‘One person arises’, the book goes on, ‘praised and followed by many, lots of people will be in awe of the unearthly (seemingly awesome changes and weird accomlishments or miracles this person will perfom’ (a charismatic figure, a president?…….. or is it forbidden to suggest such a thing……..) This, christians believe, would be ‘the devil’ ’s setup and exact plan. To mislead, distract and lie and taking as many with him as possible. Christians tell me: “Who do you think likes it best when portraited as tiny, red and forketailed? Good thought while taking this unfortunatly misused faith in God: Christianity, in consideration. It’s about a supposed God, not the Institute, or Religion.” But getting back to the chip and what has obviously been predicted years and years ago: it says if you don’t accept the number, you will die. This is much more graphically explained ofcourse, like: your head will get cut off if you don’t accept that mark, but then in the present future, if they’d turn off your chip, you will have nowhere to go and nothing to eat neither.
  Also many early pages in the bible have predictions in them for future times, this book in the Old testament talks about Jesus coming to die for the souls of the people, this is interpreted as such by christians. In exact words, it says “he was led to be slaughtered like a Lamb”, this prophet, Jesaja, talks about this.
  Furthermore, being raises in a christian family, I can’t help but to get back on what could also be posssible, it’s the thought that these Mythical figures that are summed up were indeed very much trendy and true to lots of people in that time. Noticed all the similar factors in their history, except Jesus birthday of Dec. 25 is not correct. it seems to have been on 15 Tishrei, meaning October 8.
  Anyway, it could be true the coming of Jesus was really planned that way, so it would be more acceptable and would speak more to people were it planned in the same way as the storys they knew then. Maybe
  they had to make a pact, satan and god, and had to happen like that. Maybe the bible therefore was given as the key to the truth, as they say, the Word is like bread for your soul….
  These were my thoughts on this for the moment

• LX : Dec 16, 2008 at 4:47 pm

  Let’s say that it is cospiracy. Do you know when we have a lot of conspiracies? when things are dark and people afraid…

  That said and think.

• Gilby : Dec 17, 2008 at 5:51 pm

  A very nice review of how the film was made, but this is a documentary. The primary focus of a documentary is to inform, not to entertain. With the information given in Zeitgeist, this review loosely, and I mean LOOSELY, refutes little to no information in the movie, thus proving an unworthy review. I don’t blame you for your terrible review though, because who wants to look up tons and tons of little information that can hardly be found to disprove this movie? Not many. We may only have to wait till this is all history to unveil what truly is going on, but I hope to live to see everything uncovered. Along with Martin Luther King Jr, “I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality”. -MLK

• Dan : Dec 22, 2008 at 9:10 am

  The thing that bothers me so much is that everyone is so fast to declare something a conspiracy theory but you don’t offer any renbuttals to the evidence provided.

  Cheap effects or not is the material true or false? If it is false just tell me how. I am all ears. I don’t want to think my country is trying to kill me but we have to wake up. After 9/11 all of Bush’s plans came to fruition. 9/11 was the catalyst that allowed us to go into Iraq. Not sure if we remember but the last President to go into Iraq was also a Bush. And it allowed the President to take away our rights in the name of safety.

  Come on folks…we have to wake up. Zeitgeist makes very litle money so I would think if anyone is lying it is the people making billions.

• decy22 : Dec 31, 2008 at 4:08 pm

  The sad part about this forum is that it denotes, that the mildly awakened is stuck with the rest of you bozos tying the knot ever so slowly to your own, and by indirect association, our collective enslavement. If at least the 0.01% of the population that actually see this movie (because we all know that Disney, MGM, or universal won’t be touching this with a ten foot pole) recognize what you we all know to be true, the rest of us might have a chance to start moving in the right direction. Or at least actively spread the word without the backlash of bullshit arguments that hold no water.

• Daniel : Jan 10, 2009 at 7:18 pm

  Your “review” addresses NONE of the weighty claims made in the film..the plaguristic nature of chirsianity, the lack of wreckage found at pentagon crash site, the meeting betweem Bush and Bin Laden’s brother on morning of 911, the (very suspicious) controlled demolition-like pancake collapse of twin towers (aswell) as third buliding and the evidence of thermite use on the steel structures, the apparent fact that 6 of the 19 hijackers on the official FBI list are still alive and have no links to terrorism and more…..you don’t provide one specific counterclaim whatsoever giving weight to the idea that these claims made in the film ARE true. If you think that you can compensate for lack of substance by using a clever acronym such as FEBL to gloss over things then think again!

• Kdn : Jan 11, 2009 at 10:22 am

  take the green pill….

• Bana : Jan 11, 2009 at 10:25 am

  it would be better if steven segal and david hasselhoff were in movie

• Jeff : Feb 3, 2009 at 2:26 am

  A bunch of scared Zionist who know the jig is up. You are retarded if you think we are going to listen to some lame rebuttal to what is known in the spirit, you may have heard of it, its called TRUTH. And it rings in the heart and in the soul. Why don’t you dirty Zionist Jews and your flock of Zionist Christians go to that fascist country we call Israel, a land stolen from the Palestinians !!!

• GInes : Feb 6, 2009 at 3:15 pm

  “FEBL”. I cant believe they said that here about this movies. I mean…. they show how we could easily power the world from clean energy sources (no need for petrol no more), i just seems that everytime a documentary comes where they way society works is exposed, people are so brainwashed that they listen to it and think, nah!! it’s bullshit, instead of researching for their own interest and pusuit of truth.
  The movies show you how we could get to a point where we would need no money, and in the long run maybe no jobs. No war because of believes or oil resources that we dont need.
  The question is how can anyone watch it and be against it?
  I dont get it

• Sia : Feb 7, 2009 at 8:06 am

  Greetings, A co worker is mad on Zeitgeist and Addendum, So after two weeks constant heckling i decided that i would evaluate it myself…When i got enough free time off the missus and work that is! ;>
  I consider myself a TRUE historian, and as such compile and compare dozens of sources under harsh scrutiny, From what little I have seen so far there are arguments both for and against the validity of its integrity, I would advise anyone who is serious about the content to do the same, I reserve complete judgement till i have evaluated its contense in its entirety.
  That said some discrepancies in the Christian beliefs still would not incline me to shatter the Beliefs/Delusions of my Christian friends, After all Do we not all require something to believe in? As for me… I take Truth.

• parrish : Feb 9, 2009 at 10:41 pm

  damn blggers have me readin all this shit….if your so confident in what you believe to be true…then you would get off your ass…study..and make your own video like peter joseph did huh…ill be the first to watch it

• keitaro202 : Feb 11, 2009 at 9:09 pm

  Zeitgeist’s facts are pretty well established, however the facts are manipulated. Those who expected others to note which facts were false are really missing the point of what critical thinking is about. Critical thinking is more than simply checking facts, because as we all know, a system composed of truths can have a false conclusion. Take an invalid argument for example.
  Just too refresh some people’s minds, a valid argument is one in which if all the premises are true then the conclusion cannot be false. A good example of this is modus tollens. However in an invalid argument, the premises can be true, but the conclusion can be unwarranted. This is where Zeitgeist fails, as it appeals to people who do not understand the actual rules of symbolic/propositional logic, and to those who feel that a mere compilation of facts leads to a true conclusion…when in fact it is this very inferential step that has been disputed by philosophers through out history, notably david hume.
  Besides, the actual burden of proof is on the those who state the affirmative. It is the job of those who AGREE with Zeitgeist to present a valid argument, one that proves the conclusion of the movie, not those who disagree with it, or those who refrain from belief. All I have seen thus far are people who want dissenters of the movie’s main conclusions to prove how it is not right. In other words, they’re expecting one to prove a negative….Unfortunately, the burden is on them and not the ones who suspend belief.

  A documentary does not need to gets it facts wrong to be unwarranted. There is much more to what makes something fallacious than that, i.e. the overall logical form of the presented argument.

• Rachet : Feb 15, 2009 at 7:38 pm

  You people need to wake up.

• Joseph : Feb 18, 2009 at 3:49 pm

  I just saw this movie (Zeitgeist) and while not belonging to any religion and not being especially dependent on money, I have to say I think it is crap. I just spits out more of what it “attacks” the current establishment of.

  It accuses the media for being seducing. Well, great then that the Zeitgeist movie is making various statements without any obvious source which it expects people to believe in, just to give POWER to Peter Joseph and his organization.

  It’s a shame that Peter Joseph obviously is not intelligent enough to understand this, and probably never will be.

  He just wants the flock oh sheep to believe in him instead of the current establishment which is just as bad or worse.

  He seem to have Jiddu Krishnamurti as some sort of inspiration, but unfortunately he just talked a lot of bullshit.

• Dylan : Feb 19, 2009 at 12:01 pm

  i’ve watched the movie and am a huge fan, well not really a fan, a beliver, you dont need to search records, sources or agrue with eachother, its all around us, even if zeitgeist is a fraud and everything it argues is false and cant be linked to reliable sources(which it is anyway) , we live in a world were 8$ is the minimum wage, over half the world is starving, and we cant get along with eachother because of racism and what we are told by our “mentors” , YOU take orders without question from our establishments in hopes that one day YOU will get somthing back, when in reality WE should do what is RIGHT so EVERYONE can move Forward. The truth must be realised and not told, but zeitgeist is an eye opener to whats really going on.

• keitaro202 : Feb 20, 2009 at 7:33 pm

  interesting how no valid argument has been presented yet.

• wil : Mar 24, 2009 at 7:21 pm

  You have to question the contents of the film just as it challenges you the viewer to question everyday reality, financial establishments, goverments etc There are some shocking FACTS in there though, i think it provides a great basis for people to start to question the reality of the society we live in. i guess for some ignorance really is bliss. Awarness of reality is the key for me and the film triggers questions and thought about everyday life. The venus project however would take possibly centuries to install as man is naturally selfish and thats just a survival mechanism.

• Scott H : Mar 27, 2009 at 4:07 pm

  You must all be Americans in denial. Anyone who denies 9/11 was an inside job should have their tongue cut out. (Cause they’re not worth listening to.) OBVIOUSLY christianity is total plagiarism, I knew that from my very own christian upbringing. And anyone who denies that money is currently the ultimate power in the world is a FOOL. I don’t see what’s so hard to grasp about it, other that the ramifications of its truths, and the fact that it means we actually would have to turn these damn computers off and get up off our asses and risk our warm, cushy, posh lifestyles to unite and fight the freakin power for a better future. That why you’re skeptics. It’s denial, and you can all burn with the damn bible in the Hell this world is GOING to become because NOBODY with any sort of human potential will do anything about it. The truth is there, and still we ignore. Damnation, boys and girls! Wake up.

• anon : Mar 28, 2009 at 10:03 pm

  Zeitgeist is 2/3 accurate. The first 1/3 is a new age lie. This movie is a phyops to discredit Christian belief. All one needs to do is study Luciferianism i.e. freemason illuminati occultism and understand they want to do away with all religion but their own. They pray to Maal and the Dog Star Sirius. Yet they will tell you Jesus didn’t exist. Just look at the U.N. mission and see they want a one world government with no religion.

  Chirst existed, many religious scholars have proven that the information given in Zeitgeist about Christ is bull. One very simple example is the Three Kings at Christ’s birth. No where in the Bible does it say three kings came to his birth. No where is the Bible does is say the Christ was born on December 25. It wasn’t until the roman catholic churck later designated the date. The list goes on and on.

  The corrilations between Horus and Christ are completetly wrong. Do some real research. The psyops of the film is to get people to reject Jesus when these occult elite form their new age religion Whether you believe organized religion is corrupt that’s a whole other can of worms. But if you doubt your Christian faith because of this movie it’s time to ask Christ for forgiveness.

  As for the other 2/3’s of the film they are accurate. 911 was a false flag attack. It has all the signatures of a false flag. Get past your fear and think logically. Osama was a CIA asset from the days of the Russian Afghanistan war.

  The Federal Reserve is as federal as Federal Express, Look in your phone book. Its not listed in the government section but right next to Federal Express. Federal income tax didn’t exist before the Federal Reserve Act. Federal Income Tax is unconstitutional because it’s an direct un-apportioned tax. Read you constitution that’s against the law. You pay our income tax at gun point. Now indirect apportion taxes are legal and go to creating government. Also the Fed prints our money at interest. Wake up stop watching movies and read about these topics.

  Know this, There is the IMF, World Bank, There is the Club of Rome, There is the U.N. There is Codex Alimentarius. The is the CFR, Trilateral, Bilderburg. There is a shit storm coming and if you want to sit around on your hands and let it come down on you and you rely on this new age shit and do nothing attitude you will be eaten alive. Just go on into the FEMA camp and take your vaccine and check if your biorythme is going at whatever megahertz. Now google Phyops.

• Life-Is-Not-Waiting : Mar 29, 2009 at 9:28 am

  “Would the US kill 3000 of its own people???”… Are you serious!?
  -This happens every day…
  Secondly, why would we even produce a state that we need to kill people from any countries (?)

  I have seen many of these “movies” that claims this is the truth and so on.
  I can really not see why most of the people who comments on this movie is stuck in those parts of the movie that aren’t that important. I do not see why every sentence in this movie should need to be confirmed valid. Its primal idea is enough to make you think and use the thought pattern that most of the mankind perhaps doesn’t usually use. Just think about the laws and systems that have been created by mankind hundreds of years ago – why do we all accept things just because it has been like this for a long time. I never fall down and praise movies or books like they are a new form of religion that must be followed. I read, watch and think what if…
  There is nothing in this movie that is fabricated just to make you believe, there are certain scenes that was not relevant. But still, the inner soul of its content as I see it is just to make people like all of us; think in other directions. That cannot be a bad thing? Why compare everything until it falls apart, when there may for a fact be some (I said some) truth in it.

• anon : Mar 29, 2009 at 7:34 pm

  Not true. The entire Horus section is fabricated.

• doesn't matter : Apr 2, 2009 at 12:51 am

  all of you here are the reason zeitgeist was made!! you’re all fighting against each other just to prove who’s right — this is called major egoism!!! and that my friends is the underlying source & fundamentals of SOCIAL CORRUPTION!!

  grow up & get organized & move forward — quit behaving like animals!

  peace!!!

• truth : Apr 3, 2009 at 4:04 pm

  Hi there you complete FAG…. How is this the greatest lie ever told? you piece of shit….
  Watch Hijacking Humanity as well and zietgeist 2 and the omaba deception try getting your facts straight you thick yank.. you are the weak minded slave they prey on…. if this was the biggest lie ever told they would BE SUED FOR SLANDER YOU RETARD…. As it is presented as a documentary… 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB fact…

• Zarko : Apr 4, 2009 at 8:03 am

  Great post! I totally agree with the fact that most, if not all, of these “enlightening” documentaries / movies are simply as you put it, a FEBL (great word by the way , you should put it on Urban Dictionary). There are too many people out there, who’ve got unfulfilled lives for one reason or another, and it is very easy to “exploit” their unhappy realities by putting a blame on secret societies, banks, religion etc. As for the Zeitgeist, I’m not sure how many of you actually know this, but The Zeitgeist Movement is the activist arm of The Venus Project, as stated on http://www.thevenusproject.com, and seen in “Zeitgeist: Addendum” (also known as Zeitgeist 2), which by the way asks for a donation once you access their website. If money is indeed “root of all evil” as Zeitgeist proclaims, why do they need it then? Why don’t they simply move to an Amazonian forest and start living in tribes again?? Instead of watching all these videos, I highly suggest that people should start looking within them selves for answers, and one of the great ways of getting in tune with oneself is meditation! Take it easy, take a deep breath – tomorrow is a new day !!

• Tim : Apr 7, 2009 at 8:20 pm

  Your the idiot if you don’t understand Zeitgeist movement.

  9/11 was an inside job, if you think otherwise you have been brainwashed by the mass media

• Meh : Apr 12, 2009 at 2:24 pm

  Meh. I took everything I saw in Zeitgeist with a grain of salt. It seemed, to me, to be less about factual information and more about questioning what you’re told by society and the government.

• Ass Clowns : Apr 19, 2009 at 4:40 pm

  I have never been so frustrated with humanity in my entire life. Seriously, all of you buying into this are doomed to die a fruitless death. You cannot use this movie as your be-all end-all source for your middle school conspiracy theories. I’m not even going to waste my time with you fucking imbeciles. This entire documentary has fed you prevarication after prevarication, and it is your young, naive heart which pushes you to “fight the man” with so little understanding of the system and the implications of the human condition. We are imperfect as a race, and our contrivances will ALWAYS be imperfect because of this. Humanity is inherently UNEQUAL. There are those of us who are faster, slower, smarter, dumber, and these advantages/disadvantages are what support the VERY CONCEPT of evolution: That the strong outperform the weak, and subsequently carry on their seed to produce more successful offspring. But it this age, most of us are provided our wants. The rich have one or two children, and the poor on average have more. The poor dig their own fucking hole, and produce far more compared to the richer creating a perpetual cycle of poverty, the responsibility of which resides SOLELY on the poor. Even then, many pull themselves out of poverty and become successful. The beauty of capitalism is just that: Class mobility and a higher standard of living. Capitalism works because it needs everyone to fulfill a duty and uses them in the most profit-producing (therefore ingenious) way known at the time. It is, for this reason, that even the poorest achieve more wealth than the alternative economic models (socialism, etc.) under capitalism.
  You can cite “the wealth gap ;[” as much as you goddamned want, but its use as an argument against capitalism is meaningless when the poor achieve dually higher wealth within it. Check every available database (Raw numbers are better than graphs. Anyone with a highschool understanding of statistics knows how many factors can be thrown into a graph to create whatever story the maker wants. Some graphs can be trusted, you just have to be cautious of everything, which most of you obviously aren’t) and you will see this fact.

• zi : Apr 30, 2009 at 9:44 am

  Zeigeist is a crock of shit. As a MBA/JD working @ a ibank, I can tell you for sure that these “wars on terror” or “recession” were not fabricated. I have worked at my bank for almost 30 years, top level MD’s, department heads are getting booted. If bankers were part of the conspiracy, then why the hell are my buddies getting the boot?

  This is a one-sided argument from Zeitgeist, there is plenty of proof out there that proves otherwise, which is why zeigeist fails; failure to address opposition. The fed is looked over by the government, and YES you have to pay your taxes. Your taxes aren’t used to pay back “interest” from the feds, but to cover administrative/infrastructure costs.

  THIS VIDEO PROMOTES ANARCHY.

• kevin : May 5, 2009 at 3:09 pm

  Bravo Levin! He`s doing exactly that! Zeitgeist may have a small bit of misleading info, but for the most part, it`s extremely enlightening. Like 9/11 for instance being a controlled demolition by the US gov`t. I would have never suspected that if not for Zeitgeist. And the whole income tax ordeal is a lie from the gov`t also. Other taxes pay for health care and what not, the income tax goes stright into the wealty guys bank account. And then there`s the whole "national debt". That`s one of the biggest lies of all. Notice how the debt increases every year? Who`s been missing there payments? Yet we go further in debt each year. Now the only misleading part in it that I noticed was the whole thing about Jesus. Jesus lived, but Christ did not. Anyhow, I could on or hours there, but to sum it all up, zeitgeist is both enlightening and a bit misleading. Just needs filtered is all.

• kevin : May 5, 2009 at 3:14 pm

  LOL! A bit blunt, but true as fuck, thank you. This moron is just trying to feed off the truth and create conspiracy. But it`s nice to see he`s unable to delte these comments. Cool!

• kevin : May 5, 2009 at 3:42 pm

  Interesting discussion, and even though I still believe that the movie Zeitgeist is the greatest show ever, especially addendum, there are just a couple points that should be clarified to spice it up. I mean 9/11 for instance. How in the world can you argu about that? So is David a part of the gov`t trying to cover their ass? Instead h opened up a truly wonderful discussion. Perhaps that was his intention. I wouldn`t be surprised.

• kevin : May 5, 2009 at 3:56 pm

  bravo Kevin, but I`m thinking perhaps we CAN use that money to benefit us for generations to come. Why not set a date, and after that date you are only allowed one child genetically, and you get fixed immediately after, both male and female. Adopt any further, cause overpopulation is the root to most of our problems, and it will be the death of us all if we don`t get a grip. So there`s a positive way we could use it.

• kevin : May 5, 2009 at 4:00 pm

  LOL! You people crack me up. Each with you own hypothesis trying to sound so intelligent. When the truth of the matter is Zeitgeist was an ingenius production, and now I just await for the Venus Project to be more established.

• kevin : May 5, 2009 at 4:00 pm

  LOL! You people crack me up. Each with you own hypothesis trying to sound so intelligent. When the truth of the matter is Zeitgeist was an ingenius production, and now I just await for the Venus Project to be more established.

• kevin : May 5, 2009 at 4:02 pm

  Exactly Levin

• kevin : May 5, 2009 at 4:07 pm

  OK Kevin, thx, cause I was wondering about that, and the best thing I could think of was why not use it to motivate people from having more than one kid.

• kevin : May 5, 2009 at 4:30 pm

  Interesting, thx. I want to make one thing clear here. It`s the ONLY misconception in this movie from what I`ve gathered. And that`s the fact that a man named Jesus DID exist, BUT where your misconception lies is in the fact that Jesus did NOT have a last name. That whole birth from virgin thing as totally fabricated. Mary was a virgin, but in those days a virgin was any childless woman. So if you are the oldest in your family as far as siblings go then your mother was a virgin also till she had you. And the name Jesus was derived from his fathers name Joseph. Names were given similar to their fathers. Josephs dad was Jacob. So there you have it, Jacob, then came Joseph, and finally Jesus. Jacob, Joseph, Jesus see? Therefore all Christians are followers of a false idol, or anti-christ. Quit ironic really, that the antiChrists would be Christians themselves. GOOD people, just a bit mislead is all.

• kevin : May 5, 2009 at 4:34 pm

  "Parables" my friend, or fictitious tales to prove a moral or religious point is what MOST of the bible is. But along with it comes some TRUTH. Prophecies to be exact.. Matthew 20:16 is the most recent true prophecy still in the midst of being developed.

• kevin : May 5, 2009 at 4:40 pm

  Bravo! MONEY is the biggest misconception of all! Unfortunately you are one of those Darwin followers. SOUNDS good, but it`s all a bunch of "wishful thinking"

• kevin : May 5, 2009 at 4:47 pm

  As far as 9/11; Google "9/11 was a controlled demolition", meaning it was demolished just like building 7 was just down the road earlier that same day. If you watch any footage of the buildings collapsing, watch carefully below the parts that are collapsing, and you`ll see puffs of smoke coming out of the building. Those are explosivs that were implanted inside the building before hand. Standard controlled demolition.

• Will : May 18, 2009 at 7:43 pm

  This "review" was pretty terrible. You had very little substance to your counter arguments against this movie.

  "The argument about the Federal Reserve as a government conspiracy, begs the question – why would a conspiratorial public body setup a private central bank?"

  Please read the book "The Creature from Jekyll Island" as it explains the creation of the Federal Reserve in great detail.

  Basically, the Federal Reserve Act was created by the elitist bankers of some of the biggest banks back in 1910. They wanted to control the monetary system of the country so that they could make a huge profit off of creating money for the government. They basically provided Congress the means to fund whatever their hearts desired (wars, policy) and in return the banks make money off of the interest on the debt. Now, the worst part of this whole thing is that Congress has unlimited access to money, but all the money has a huge cost on the American taxpayer in the form of the hidden tax of inflation.

• Jesus : May 23, 2009 at 6:35 pm

  Im sure that the guy who wrote this bullshit about zeitgeist don´t work 9 hours a day in a factory. go watch mtv

• aware : Jun 1, 2009 at 2:05 am

  anyone who thinks that our own government wouldn't concieve an idea like 9/11 should wiki "Operation Northwoods".

• iskos333 : Jun 12, 2009 at 8:22 pm

  Lies in zeitgeist. i have to cut it to different comments. see other comments also
  You have to know that they make up story which will make sense, because they can't seduct people by nonsense.It is just like da vinci's code. Those guys just need some money, of course, 2 billions christians in this world + other religions who will also be interested,others who are interested to prove that the religion is not true, if you count it will be 6billion people. What a good source to make some good money thought Den Brown and zeitgeist guys, those poor guys just need some money, and they wanna be famous and they are atheists, what you expect from them?
  1.First of all why do they say that it is cross of zodiac when they show the zodiac signs? it is not a cross they highlighted the areas like +.

• iskos333 : Jun 12, 2009 at 8:25 pm

  2. They say god's sun because it sounds like God's son, but they have different pronounciation in Hebrew, they made up this also
  3.they show about Horus, that's correct that it was egyptian god Horus , egyptians thought he was god of sky, and he fought with dark, but it refers only to night( darkness) and light.It refers to regular succession of night and day. It does not have anything to do with good ( God) or evel ( Satan).

• iskos333 : Jun 12, 2009 at 8:33 pm

  4. And they took everything from Jesus's story and attributed it to Horus, for ex. Communion, baptism, resurection after 3 days,and other stuff also, even egyptian book writers do this.Because they wanna sell their books,why did they write books? They need some money too.Of course there might be some similarities,so what? for ex. Jesus had apostles, He was Son of God of course He had to have some apostles, the number can be coincidence, He was Son of God of course He had to do some miracles, these all they say we know.They say very common things if you watch carefully.Look they started to discuss the topic from Horus, they attributed everything to Horus and they started to come from Horus, they covered the fact they actually they went backwards, and people who has no faith will say oh it's amazing, what a discovery? Where were those guys before? they just woke up? They just discovered it? I want you to know that many philosopher who lived right after Jesus converted to chrishtianity? Why? they knew less than those guys from zeitgeist?Of course those philosophers knew much better than those guys but they chose to follow Christ.

• iskos333 : Jun 12, 2009 at 8:34 pm

  5. Jesus's birthday was on Jan 6th not on Dec 25th, and the reason why we celebrate it now on Dec 25 is because we wanted to get rid of all these pegan feasts, that's why now we celebrate it on Dec 25. Zeitgeist guys used the same strategy here they actually are coming from the back but they are saying that point was the starting point.
  6. Jesus was shown in the cross because he died in the cross , and not because of that pegan sign.

• iskos333 : Jun 12, 2009 at 8:36 pm

  7. Horus's sign was similar to cross but it was something completely different, but those guys show cross with round thing on it if you go to this link you will see that they made up the top part of that sign in order it to be like a cross,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus and again all these things they did after Jesus, they attributed all these things to pegans, and they changed his sign to cross, they made up some stuff, and they did all this because they found some similarities in bible with astronomy, then they started change all other stuff , they made video, with music, with graphics with some quotes. And they achieved their goal. All people now talk about zeitgeist, they made good money, and i want you to know that Da vinci's code was based on the same principle, but it was completely different story about Jesus, why? different people, different story, i am sure that other people will make up other stories may be 10 years after this, or 20. And i remember what people said after Da vinci's. what a discovery they said, just like now they say for zeitgeist.so many miracle happening till now through Jesus, how can all of us close our eyes to this?

• iskos333 : Jun 12, 2009 at 8:36 pm

  8.another big lie they said about Nicine council and about the roman empire,
  , but Roman empire converted to chrishtianity in 425 through Constantine I , a saint who saw the Cross in the sky. No political influence.Why do they not say anything about first 2 councils, they were influenced by politics also? of course not, you know how many saints participated in these councils, saints who put their life to death for Jesus' name, and zeitgeist says that they were influenced by politics? it just can not be true. And i want you to know that before 425 they killed chrishtians, so political parties killed chrishtians, but suddenly they started to preach chrishtianity? it does not make sense. But it really happened suddenly but not as say, they do not even say the reason. It was like this- the emperor saw the cross in the sky. And he changed suddenly. If you see the cross now in the sky of course you will change suddenly. But blessed are those who believe without seeing as our Lord Jesus Christ said.So many lies, other small thing that i do not wanna post and of course there must be other lies i could not pick up.

• iskos333 : Jun 12, 2009 at 8:37 pm

  9. And they say about chrishtian bloodshed, criminal acts. Tell me wars were not happening before? So what ? even Jesus told us that it was gonna happen. So instead of beleiving Jesus's words we have to beleive those guys from zeitgeist? It is ridiculous.
  10. They used another wellknown strategy to convince people. They said something bad about God and started to laugh, so people will think that they say very common things. Because when you laugh it seems that it is nonsense. And i wanna say that i agree that we have some bad churches now, or bad priests, and they wanna make money just like these guys from zeitgeist but it does not mean that God needs money. they are nonbelievers as we read in the Bible about them wolfs that show themselves as if they are sheeps of God. Believe in Jesus's words, believe in prophet's words who foretold us about Jesus's birth, do not believe everybody. Be carefull, Jesus told us about these false teachings and teachers. Read the Bible heartily, pray and you will find your answers.

• iskos333 : Jun 12, 2009 at 8:37 pm

  9. And they say about chrishtian bloodshed, criminal acts. Tell me wars were not happening before? So what ? even Jesus told us that it was gonna happen. So instead of beleiving Jesus's words we have to beleive those guys from zeitgeist? It is ridiculous.
  10. They used another wellknown strategy to convince people. They said something bad about God and started to laugh, so people will think that they say very common things. Because when you laugh it seems that it is nonsense. And i wanna say that i agree that we have some bad churches now, or bad priests, and they wanna make money just like these guys from zeitgeist but it does not mean that God needs money. they are nonbelievers as we read in the Bible about them wolfs that show themselves as if they are sheeps of God. Believe in Jesus's words, believe in prophet's words who foretold us about Jesus's birth, do not believe everybody. Be carefull, Jesus told us about these false teachings and teachers. Read the Bible heartily, pray and you will find your answers.

• iskos333 : Jun 12, 2009 at 8:38 pm

  Lies in zeitgeist.
  You have to know that they make up story which will make sense, because they can't seduct people by nonsense.It is just like da vinci's code. Those guys just need some money, of course, 2 billions christians in this world + other religions who will also be interested,others who are interested to prove that the religion is not true, if you count it will be 6billion people. What a good source to make some good money thought Den Brown and zeitgeist guys, those poor guys just need some money, and they wanna be famous and they are atheists, what you expect from them?
  1.First of all why do they say that it is cross of zodiac when they show the zodiac signs? it is not a cross they highlighted the areas like +.

• iskos333 : Jun 12, 2009 at 8:38 pm

  2. They say god's sun because it sounds like God's son, but they have different pronounciation in Hebrew, they made up this also
  3.they show about Horus, that's correct that it was egyptian god Horus , egyptians thought he was god of sky, and he fought with dark, but it refers only to night( darkness) and light.It refers to regular succession of night and day. It does not have anything to do with good ( God) or evel ( Satan).

• iskos333 : Jun 12, 2009 at 8:39 pm

  11. And finally, who read the Bible will say that there is life in it.
  How would you feel when the day comes and you see demons, angels, Jesus Christ?
  How would you feel? You will suddenly understand who you are, you will suddenly undersand that you believed those false teachings but not The Word of God, and please note that He warned us about this. And He also said that who will endure till the end he will be saved.
  One correct thing was in the video that God really loves us, do we love God?

• Seeker : Jun 13, 2009 at 3:54 am

  you are speaking of the end of duality the emergence of senses beyond those currently known a new world where we are no longer ourselves but one. This event will occur most likely around the end of 2012 if it does not most will not be well they will be dead. We who have been chosen to pull the blindfold have little time remaining but with every increase in vibration we come closer to our goal the destruction of fear and the emergence of light and love.

• sean cunningham : Jun 19, 2009 at 7:12 am

  i believe its called gaelic…not irish!

• Roots : Jul 4, 2009 at 6:49 pm

  COMPLETELY AGREED! I can't believe people are having stupid orgasms over this stupid crap. All the stuff you hear on that video are really stale old conspiracy theories or they are just not true.

• brian : Jul 9, 2009 at 6:51 am

  amazing

• life is simple : Jul 21, 2009 at 11:19 pm

  look, my english might be bad, but my feelings about this aren't. i was born in a 3-th world country with lots and lots of "zombies" beliving in storyes about jesus and all this things, and they all died of hunger and povertry. i've been around the world i've seen a lot of countries i met a lot of people from all the social and cultural and religious levels, and now i have only one conclusion : where is a lot of religical belives it's a lot and i mean a lot of povertry and supidity ( they all come hand in hand)

• life is simple : Jul 21, 2009 at 11:19 pm

  so, my point is, even if all my family , and all the people i've been rise with they believed in this "things" i always felt that true god , and i don't mean christ , christos, jesus, budda, alah, etc etc….it just means good…only good every where you go, if you see pain, heal it by any means in your power, if you see happy people join them to make the happines bigger, if you see people that prayes to some-one/ some-thing else then good then take care, there are chances they will start a war on you, there are chances they request money from you, there are big chances they don't understand the concept of universal good or universal god. because they are just plain stupid .

• life is simple : Jul 21, 2009 at 11:20 pm

  world is big, lot's of people in it, so don't follow in life things that makes us different from others, follow things that we have in common. and the only thing that you find in common even with a criminal for one day or for one second is that he just at least once in his life time did something good before the crime!. i'm sorry if i sound a little bit radical, but this is how i feel the truth and about the movie…much better then the average shit we are all obligated to raise with.

• life is simple : Jul 23, 2009 at 11:01 pm

  so you wait for the day when demons or angels are going to explain you exactly what you are…an idiot…you don't need a story to be good , you don't need a story to frighten you to be good…you just need to be good because you feel like it crazy man.

• Alex : Aug 12, 2009 at 6:39 pm

  When you hear someone talk about agendas, they're only using the word as a defensive tactic in an argument, in truth we all have agendas. Agenda is the equivalent of predisposed bias. Everyone believes in something, and that something becomes a part of their agenda. Christians have an agenda: to spread the word of christ. Atheists have an agenda: to convince people that religion is stupid. Truth is, we're all fucking biased. We're all harmonaly passionate about our believes, we all let our emotions guide us in many of our desicions and arguments, and we all hate to be told we're wrong. It only takes one flip through a psychology book to loose faith in human emotion, which is the leading cause behind these conspiracy theories and also their rebuttles. Perhaps the easiest way to counter movies such as zeitgeist is to leave them alone and let them die in peace. Conspiracy theories haave been around for a long time, they are nothing but a scapegoat to those that feel angry or depressed about something(ie government), and they all eventually die out, because at the end of the day, rationalization, not daydreams allow us to live our normal lives.

• Jeff : Sep 26, 2009 at 8:16 pm

  We're still working on it….

  I'll let you know when it happens.

  Ramen.

• DGM : Sep 28, 2009 at 5:48 pm

  While the blog is perfectly right to slam the movie for its plagiarism, and its misleading usage of "facts." I think the film is more useful rather than dangerous as David suggests. It does seek a noble goal, albeit through a disingenuous route, that being the empowerment of civilians and their right to be consulted, engaged and informed in the goings on, spiritually, politically, and economically, in their society. At worst the movie is a joke that does little harm. At best it enrages the citizen into demanding to know just what the "Facts" are, if the facts in the movie are used in an inappropriate fashion or are plain wrong. In an attempt to disprove the movie, people may be given greater control, access, transparency etc. to their institutions, by their institutions, even if they still are not convinced by their governments, they would remain "ever vigilant of their conspiring ways" thanks to being "forewarned" by Zeitgeist. Is that such a bad thing? We should be thankful that the targets of the conspiracy are financial and government institutions rather than individual racial or ethnic groups where much greater damage could be done. If Zeitgeist is so tantalizingly easy to believe, it is most likely because at present people have been given more than enough reason to distrust their governments, religions and financial institutions. Zeitgeist wouldn't be so popular if so many people didn't feel as if it made sense to them on some level.

• Cuauhtémoc : Sep 29, 2009 at 5:57 pm

  Whats "the lie"?
  I'm from México, and can't realize why this guy (or guys, that create this article) can say that. It's a lie that the lifestile of the US come from an ancient abuse of other people (even his owns); can we say lie, when us or people that we know became poor, and poor, and so on, intellectually, even monetary speaking… I don't think so. As the film says: we proyect the way as we been raised. That means that we are not exactly objective, right?

• Bea : Oct 5, 2009 at 11:05 pm

  I cringed at almost everything I saw in Zeitgeist. Yet, next to me was sitting somebody who thought he's "finally got his eyes opened"! Who thought "at last, someone told the truth"….

  After two days of arguments, I was not able to shake him from this believe……
  how? Why…

• Igor Scherer : Oct 16, 2009 at 4:48 pm

  You can not define the documentary as a great lie of the entertaining media at all. There's some true in all of these things. Ya, I know that Zeitgeist may be just a IAC(It's all connected), but, you have to accept that we live in a caotic situation for decades…
  For example, that story about Religion… You can check in all History books… The Religion was a intention to control the people…

• dpollen : Oct 21, 2009 at 1:09 am

  No.
  Kevin is right. The government pays for its wars etc. by devaluing ALL the money in current supply. It's called inflation. This is what happens when you create debt and print money out of thin air.

  Fog cutter makes a VERY good point. Yeah the movie was low budget… and they didn't have any big 'high profile' names. Yes, and they might have copied other material.

  THIS WAS A VOLUNTEER DOCO GIVEN AWAY FOR FREE ON THE NET.

  They threw everything they thought you should know in… provided sources… added some quick effects & music to keep it from getting boring then gave it away.

  What more do you want?

• Ddia : Nov 1, 2009 at 11:22 am

  wow that's an awesome claim. You really back yourself up well too. What book did you read that from?

• hermag : Nov 2, 2009 at 5:18 am

  OMG americans can be so nahive, dont believe whatever u see, search the truth, facts can be made up but you cant just say zeitgeist is a lie only u dont want to believe or have the arguments to refute this

• cyphon688 : Nov 9, 2009 at 8:07 pm

  I have never read a comment this foolish in my life. First of all if you are going to call someone a moron try and have a bit better grammar and maybe some coherent thoughts in your bashing. Second telling people to "go to hell, stupid f—." doesn't make you look any smarter. Thirdly if 100% of the information in the movie was a lie, then you could not find any truth in it. Think a little more before you write things down next time. You make yourself look a lot more foolish than you probably are.

• N.A : Nov 22, 2009 at 4:48 am

  I have watched the movie "Zeitgeist" and your review with an open mind, still I would say the movie was far more convincing and your review was very based on your opinion.

• alex k : Nov 23, 2009 at 9:49 pm

  The author of this review is full of shit. I wouldn't take this seriously if you were the last shitty blogger on the internet. And feel free to email me if you want to actually prove your opinion matters, because you provide no indication of its legitimacy. You simply state your opinion as fact, a fallacy never committed by Zeitgeist. I say,

  FUCKING PROVE IT. PROVE THAT IT'S WRONG. DON'T SPOUT BULLSHIT.

• m/a : Nov 27, 2009 at 3:32 pm

  Oh yes, you are middle/upper management in a bank. I'm sure you walk the halls of power and are privy to the innermost workings of your bank and have an intimate knowledge of the interactions of your organisation with corporate entities and governmental bodies. You regularly have power meetings with senators, congressmen and captains of industry. Oh wait, thats a description of someone with actual power and influence, not a corporate whore who feels insecure when their belief system is threatened. Oh, and explain to me how a critique of social institutions promotes anarchy? I'm pretty sure it offers information and an invitation to draw your own conclusions.

• m/a : Nov 27, 2009 at 3:33 pm

  probably because you have a zealous and dogmatic belief in various social institutions and your friend doesn't.

• matt : Nov 28, 2009 at 11:13 am

  the us is much like the eu… our states are our little countries of income taxation… ya dig?

• mike_h : Dec 6, 2009 at 10:45 pm

  @admin

  In America, the notion of income taxes is unconstitutional. That being said, this doesn't mean ALL taxes are unconstitutional. Ron Paul has the right idea: do away with income tax and fund federal expenses with sales tax. This way people are not taxed according to how much they make, and rather, are taxed according to how much they spend. It's a simple idea that solves the illegal problem of income tax while also serving to encourage financial responsibility.

  Oh by the way, there are twelve countries in the world without income tax.

  Kevin was very accurate with what he said about the FED.

• Mike_h : Dec 6, 2009 at 11:09 pm

  Wow…you said it yourself…

  "Would the US kill 3000 of its own people? I hope not, but then they have no problems killing thousands of innocent iraqi women and children?"

  I actually can't tell whether you are for against the film…you say it's crap but then you say all of these things that are quite in line with the points of the film.

• minomi : Dec 9, 2009 at 11:07 am

  I find Zeitgeist to be entertaining as Mel Brooks History of the World. It is one helluva a comedy! I find myself laughing hysterically as they try to logically connect the dots between the number 12, December 25 and virgins. I love how they convoluted all aspect of mythologies especially the part about Gilgamesh and Noah sharing the similar story. Except for 1 important caveat, Gilgamesh Ark was a 7 storey cube.

• Aaron : Dec 16, 2009 at 4:17 am

  Criticisms aimed at Zeitgeist the movie are easily leveled. Many of the criticisms attack the movies inaccurate facts and stretching of the truth. Of course, the flaw in that argument is that if Zeitgeist is flawed then so are the processes that Zeitgeist attacks. One cannot condemn a movie of the same actions taken by religion, governments, corporations, and authorities without thus condemning religion, governments, corporations, and authorities.
  Some try to spin the idea that if you are educated you know that Zeitgeist is factually incorrect. In the case of religion how is this possible? Today, many accept that the holy writings are stories. They suggest that the stories are metaphors for how god wished us to behave. It has been suggested Zeitgeist cannot show any proof for many of its claims. It could be argued that finding one source that supports what the movies claims is as useful as twenty sources that don’t support the claims. After all, stating there are no reliable sources in mythical religion is a pretty powerful argument. Either way, even if Zeitgeist is weak on trying to establish its case, the suggestion that Jesus himself is only a story and that he shares many characteristics with other mythical figures as being highly likely is not stretching any realms of belief. Jesus is no different to Santa Claus or Superman. Both of these figures have existed in different cultures over centuries, but they have distortions on the myths imposed over them in each culture. We accept this without question. The reason that suggestions that Jesus is a myth creates such controversy is because it is in the interest of too many rich and powerful to let people analyze and reach the conclusion that their whole belief structure, the reason for much of the chaos in the world, and their blind acceptance of all they are told is highly likely to be a story.
  The second part of the movie is linked to the first. What Zeitgeist states is that if you have accepted that a story is the truth, and that a powerful organization who promotes this story will lie to you and perpetuate this myth for their own purposes, and then anything is possible. Many have stated that a lot of what Zeitgeist has stated about 9/11 has been debunked. It is true to say many scientists, engineers, witnesses, have appeared who support the official version. It was not many years ago that scientists, doctors, and officials, blatantly stood in front of people and said smoking is not harmful to your health. We know today that these scientists, doctors, and officials, were on the payrolls of the tobacco companies. It took far longer for the "crackpots" to be recognized as the real truth tellers. Is it that difficult to believe that many of the people continuing to question 9/11 are also under the control of those wishing to suppress the truth? The reality is that 9/11 has so many inconsistencies. This has been the real problem. The 9/11 commission was severely flawed, the CIA has historically been shown to lie, the government has been shown to lie, and corporations and individuals have become even wealthier after the event. The links between the government and this acquired wealth is obvious for all to see. Zeitgeist again reminds us not to blindly believe what the authorities tell us. They lie. They lie a lot. They lie all the time. It is a historical fact that the USA has always made sure that have an enemy at the gate.
  Part three of the movie explains the reason for the continuous lies. Profit. If nothing else this part of the movie is enough to justify the making of it. People may say the movie is saying nothing new, and it is over simplified. The fact that this is nothing new does not discredit the fact that is has been raised again. Simply put the general public does not know it is being swindled, cheated, and lied to everyday. The idea that Zeitgeist oversimplifies the process is laughable when the institutions have always attempted to complicate the process.

  Zeitgeist is targeted as being based on falsehood. Note that this has always happened to those who question the system. Socrates, Galileo, Martin Luther King, and Al Gore are just some who get attacked when the powerful become worried that their reign of terror is being challenged. The message of Zeitgeist is simple. Wake up. Open your eyes. Open your mind. We are being lied to and dominated by a disproportionate few. If anyone believes this message should not be broadcast, it is not an intellectual criticism but an ignorant one.

• josh : Jan 11, 2010 at 1:18 pm

  uhh, not really. The income tax was imposed in the early 1900s. We were a country for 125 years + before that was even a tax. So… it's an unconstitutional tax..

  No tax is supposed to be unapportioned.. if you think the income tax is fair, then do some reading in the constitution..

• zzz : Jan 28, 2010 at 3:50 pm

  To you referring to the language as "Irish", it's actually Gaelic, Thanks.

• Ben : Jan 29, 2010 at 4:49 am

  is it by apointment of the president as the treasuer or what

• mariasso : Feb 1, 2010 at 3:35 pm

  there are No acheological or No historical proof. No opinions just facts.

• ben : Feb 5, 2010 at 3:00 pm

  The movie is bullshit. You can be green with preserving your traditions and without being a zeitgeist freak.

• Mr D : Feb 5, 2010 at 7:34 pm

  If we don't apply logic, critical thinking and truly independant thought (which is encouraged by the movies' author), how can we at all trust the outcome?
  In my opinion.. those methods (which fx are applied in science, in the scientific method) are the most reliable methods we humans have to determine something or other's valitidy.

  If I take nothing else from these two movies (zeitgeist: the movie and zeitgeist: addendum, which are available for free on the internet, since they were not made with profit in mind… unlike nearmost everything else)…
  …they still were a damn good, worthy watch.

  Don't listen to unsupported bullshit.. that applies to this criticism here as much as zeitgeist or other "FEBL" (as this gentleman refers to them) movie, but rather use critical thinking to make up your own minds.

  But naturally it is essential to make fun of things and we should criticize everything. Comedy, for instance, is in my opinion one of the most liberal and unfiltered/uncontrolled forms of free speech. I point to this video as an example of the inherent genius in comedy; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa-4E8ZDj9s

  Also for those that want to see the Zeitgeist films and judge for themselves, here are a couple of links;
  Zeitgeist: The Movie – http://www.watchzeitgeist.com/zeitgeist.html
  Zeitgeist: Addendum – http://www.watchzeitgeist.com/

• giorgio megalli : Feb 6, 2010 at 9:17 pm

  ma che teste della minchia…. nn cpite un cazzo, cretinoids!

• giorgio megalli : Feb 6, 2010 at 9:20 pm

  the movie is great, and you first should be able to understand it, even for the revolutionary ideeas, your retard redheads!
  bye bye ciao
  to be continued pleas with some stupid reply, please

• Invictus-X : Feb 8, 2010 at 6:53 pm

  Truth is devastating to people who are conditioned to conform,a one world government has been planned since the beginning of time and the Luciferian power structure exists,sorry,but this is NOT a free society!

• Garlic : Feb 22, 2010 at 6:05 am

  If you spend time poring through Google Video, as I do, you have to develop a filter for the endless sea of Religious, New Age or Conspiracy Theorist crap…… you are an assshole!

• holy crap : Mar 1, 2010 at 3:39 pm

  part 1 has some merit that “new” religions often built their foundations on the old, and Im not just saying that because it was in the DaVinci Code. Anyone ever heard of P’an Ku? The Chinese were taken bythe popularity of christianity and sought to create their own religion, so they wrote a book about a guy who was born of an egg and upon his death his body became the stars, the earth, his lice becoming animals, his hair the wind etc etc.
  People in South China still buy this bung and why? because everyone needs something to believe in and although Ill NEVER NEVER buy into religion Ill never knock someone for being religious. Everyone needs a spiritual source.

  Religion is an old boring topic, about the 911 crap… Im pretty sure any well motivated martyr could accomplish any complicated undertaking and it STILL makes more sense that 911 attacks were not the us gov. Im from canada, our economies are tied in together pretty tight whether or not you agree and after 91 our money is almost worth more than the US so why would the US gov depreciate their own reserve? For the capitialisation of a few? maybe but it makes more sense that the Laden family would want to capitalise on Us venture knowing upcoming events (think enron, martha stewart)..

  MAXIM magazine, of all sources, knew their would be an attack on the US and they also published an article about the levy’s failing YEARS before both happened so instead of questioning badly mad movies why not read some shit, put the documentary movies away (theyre all biased, ALL of them) and look into stuff yourselves.

  NAZI propeganda became an industry (agresive advertising), there was no conspiracy there, just a few fools scaring oter people to follow them then lying to the public about their intentions. Im sure Bush was hiding something but I doubt it was his hands that did this.

  I dont get how tower 7, nearly a block away could fall while the buildings surrounding it are still up today and that the twin towers REALLY could not fall without explosives yet the use of any sort of detonation or explosive devices are denied to this day? IMO Thermite was probably used but by terrorists. The pentagon was hit by a plane. Youd be amazed what a difference a plane reck will make when your TRYING to land a plane safely or just tryign to make a big mess. In the bigg mess senario Im sure there would be less debris! When you drop a glass it might break into 5 or 7 pieces but when you throw a glass at a brick wall there is virtually nothing left.

  These movies prey off the hopelessly ignorant BUT posters like the Admin and David are equally ignorant. Slander alone is not jstifiable evidence even if it was entertaining or true. throw in some meaning or your nothing more than an anti-documentarian.
  For reals, all you do is moan about how crappy these kinds of movies these are but your not doing ANYTHING that these movies arent!? Its just more IMO but presented with witty critisism so even the brighter idiots can chuckle a bit and say huhuh, maybe hes right – but based on nothing more than witty insults.

  bravo, most of these comments are epic fails, the most literate of the bunch make vague references to far off allegories – but sound smart – and offer no insight whatsoever to the movie CONTENT. sure the drug induced audio/visuals are thick but pick your favorite movie and tell me they dont use similar tactics (regardless of their budget). Ever seen Carl Sagan’ cosmos series? its effets are pretty much the same but even thought the guy sounds like kermit the frog I believe him

• holy crap : Mar 1, 2010 at 3:44 pm

  ps I came here based on a google search looking for actual facts from the movie, I lost interest seeing the arguments here of cynics trying to come off as well educated but there is harldy anyone saying that SOMe is true and SOME is crap.
  you will sound more intelligent isf you argue less and inquire /state facts (without insults) more often. GO TEAM CANADA HOCKEY!!

• biohzard : Mar 12, 2010 at 9:32 pm

  okay. if u think its all bull…show me something that isnt an interpretation of what is clearly just a story. religion is nothing but an interpretation of this book 'the bible' no one in it ever fuckin existed. ITS A STORY that someone was able to sell very very well. you havn't cited any sources. your talking out of your ass like a true christian. open ur mind, ur bein lied to

• andy love : Mar 15, 2010 at 1:13 am

  yes, by the time this movie (it's not a documentary) got to the micro chip embedded in the skin part, I checked out. That doesn't mean that the movie didn't make me think or that all of it's points were invalidated just cause they went off the deep end at the finish. Michael Moore has done that with pretty much every movie he's ever made. I would say that the greater benefit to be derived from watching this is that it stimulates debate about the nature of gov't, conspiracies, religious and political progaganda. I would like to ask the author of this critique, what are your thoughts on the whole "red flag operation" idea? It seems that this idea has been with us for much of history. It only follows that neo cons could perfect such a method after aeons of practice. Gore Vidal certainly seems to promote the idea that America always has to have an enemy (and it doesn't really matter who) to keep the population in fear and in line and consuming product.
  Thoughts?

• Useless Article : Mar 16, 2010 at 5:46 pm

  This review by the author is just a STUPID ATTENTION SEEKING ILLOGICAL PIECE OF CRAP. Why don't you go research the facts and then prove the fucking movie's wrong ASSHOLE??

• doraw : Mar 20, 2010 at 2:08 am

  "Imagine there's no Heaven, It's easy if you try, No hell below us, Above us only sky
  Imagine all the people Living for today

  Imagine there's no countries, It isn't hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for
  And no religion too, Imagine all the people, Living life in peace

  You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one, I hope someday you'll join us, And the world will be as one

  Imagine no possessions, I wonder if you can
  No need for greed or hunger, A brotherhood of man
  Imagine all the people, Sharing all the world

  You may say that I'm a dreamer, But I'm not the only one
  I hope someday you'll join us, And the world will live as one" in memory of JL

• Travis : Apr 3, 2010 at 11:46 am

  I agree with most of what you said about the religion part… except… not much of it was true…lol….look, there is plenty of evidence of jesus…. sevferal historians in that time from Josephus, to even ponchus pilot, who even wrote about it.Horus for example didnt have 12 deciples, only 4 they were called the heru shemsu.this is a nwo religion wanting you to dive into the whole new age concept. Notice what the eitgeist website is about… they call it the Venus project…"Hello
  ", which comes from Helena Blavantsky, and the Alice Bailey foundation.. hence Lucis Trust…well known satanist!!!.. All of the rest of Zeitgeist i beleive is true though.

• luke : Apr 12, 2010 at 6:08 pm

  na ur right it is.. weird eh

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• Human That's All : May 17, 2010 at 5:41 pm

  The day anyone shows up with proof that everything Zeitgeist stands for is false and a mere lie, that will be the day that anyone should disagree with the films. Because I still have not seen anyone come up with a good concrete challenge to it. Both Zeitgeist films are simply a compilation of information thrown at an organization that still has not defended itself, so, until something as good as the Zeitgeist films is created to prove everything stated is bullshit, please stop giving irrelevant opinions and just follow up with the news and try to look deeper into each worldly event and match it to what is said in the films. It's all here happening everyday, yet people still disagree.

• theDefiantWon : May 21, 2010 at 6:33 pm

  i find it amusing you mention 'bullshit detectors' while you attempt to discredit a movie that attempts to discredit a religion in which a man changes water to wine, brings the dead back to life, etc. where's your bullshit detector when you skim through that? stroking your ego perhaps? calming your nerves?

• Mark Templeman : May 27, 2010 at 11:13 pm

  Just to start with i would like to let everyone who believes this movie that i watched it and was absolutely blown away, made me open my eyes to alot of things and i question alot of things more than i did beforehand. But then i decided to question zeitgeist as even my 23 year young not the most intelligent mind picked quite a few problems out while watching this movie, so i googled zeitgeist and the third result down gave me Zeitgeist Debunked (linked at bottom of post) its very long but after a while of reading through it i cant believe that some people still believe it to be the truth it proclaimes itself to be.

• Mark Templeman : May 27, 2010 at 11:14 pm

  Zeitgest does still bring up many good points, but it is just not based on truth. Now I would like to point out that I really hate people who follow the bible as truth, as it has been nearly completely proved as fiction, however i hate people who try to destroy peoples faith just as much, if it gives people something to believe in and makes their life easier in anyway then let them have that faith. However, people have put way too much faith into Zeitgeist as pure truth. I won't go into it all to much because the much more learned individual who wrote this debunk does it much better than I ever could.

• Mark Templeman : May 27, 2010 at 11:15 pm

  So if you are like me and began questioning everything a bit more after watching this movie then you need to read this, purely to help you in your quest to expand your knowledge.
  Anyway heres the link, I really recommend anyone who has seen this movie to read it. And when i say read it i mean read it all.
  http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/

  p.s they really need to let you submit longer posts on here

• Miro : May 29, 2010 at 8:41 pm

  Please can you tell me when I was born?

• Miro : May 29, 2010 at 8:45 pm

  based on what?your dreams or what was you learning in school?

• Miro : May 29, 2010 at 8:59 pm

  your comment is not logic,factical.It is only stupid and vulgar.This means only that you dont have argument maybe IQ to concurent our reactions.See that we can accept new theory.Maybe your comment too.Please tell us your experience with this what was it about.

• Iskos : Jun 4, 2010 at 2:54 am

  You can talk about anything you want I would rather wait for the second of my Lord and God Jesus Christ because I believe in His godly words and not zeitgeist's made up stupid stories. It is so obvious that seitgeist lies about Christianity. You can see this source this not the only source – http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/

• far : Jun 25, 2010 at 3:59 am

  would you all please realize that you make yourself happy or sad and there is not much to worry about.

• David Lester : Jul 5, 2010 at 7:37 pm

  sry but "I think the tricky is spooky music" …..really???? I've been a musician for 7 and a half years so this one of the few subjects I'm accomplished in. The music is very mild in influence so I think you guys are just reaching for anything against this film. If the production values are so low. MAKE A BETTER FILM!!!! I would like to know the average income of the people that are against this movie. PLEASE?!?!?

• janelle : Jul 7, 2010 at 1:20 am

  i like how zietgeist makes you think outside of the box weather you beleive him or not is irrelivent, what does matter is the fact that it could be true we have lived long enough to know that what you see isn't nessessarily what it is, or what governments or banks want us to know isn't always the truth therefore the reality will always makes much more sense…for you who dispell zietgeist so quickly are very single minded and naive…

• RONALD REAGAON : Jul 17, 2010 at 5:59 am

  income tax is illegal

• Obama : Jul 17, 2010 at 6:00 am

  im a fucking nigger

• Kit : Jul 22, 2010 at 5:40 pm

  I'm a Christian and though I rather liked the documentary, everyone keeps stating that there are facts. They lay out all these similarities between Christ and previous Religions, however, in order for any of that to even be true, shouldn't you research all of these Gods that they put forth in the documentary to see if their stories are even true? They say Horus was the Sun God born of a virgin. But then again, that's what they say… did anyone actually go look up the dozen other gods and dieties they mention in the documentary to show that those stories in fact were also true? Doesn't look like it.

  I did like the section about the federal reserve bank because it gave me a physical document I can go read for myself to see how the banking system works on my own. I can do my own research and prove my own facts.

  Just because someone lists something as false and controversial doesn't mean they are right. You must go out and prove what they are stating at first before you accept any argument. You should be able to look at the documentary's actual sources, read them yourself and draw the truth.

  It's like saying french fries cause cancer because they are too salty. But before you can accept that you must find out if your french fries are even made with salt (I know, not the best analogy but you see where I'm going with this) Go straight to the source. Otherwise, you're just getting propaganda from another source like anyone else, just like your government. Don't believe it when someone tells you the sky is blue. Look up and see for yourself.

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• josh : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  Demonic imitation

  Justin Martyr
  The basic theme of demonic imitation is that the devil also imitated the prophecies in the Old Testament so that he had a collection of stories similar to the ones told about Jesus. The purpose of this would be to mislead those seeking salvation either to follow false gods or to deny that in Jesus's case these events really occurred.
  He taught us these things for the conversion and restoration of the human race: and (thirdly) that before He became a man among men, some, influenced by the demons before mentioned, related beforehand, through the instrumentality of the poets, those circumstances as having really happened, which, having fictitiously devised, they narrated, in the same manner …. Those who believe these things we pity, and those who invented them we know to be devils…. But those who hand down the myths which the poets have made, adduce no proof to the youths who learn them; and we proceed to demonstrate that they have been uttered by the influence of the wicked demons, to deceive and lead astray the human race. For having heard it proclaimed through the prophets that the Christ was to come, and that the ungodly among men were to be punished by fire, they put forward many to be called sons of Jupiter, under the impression that they would be able to produce in men the idea that the things which were said with regard to Christ were mere marvellous tales, like the things which were said by the poets. And these things were said both among the Greeks and among all nations where they [the demons] heard the prophets foretelling that Christ would specially be believed in; but that in hearing what was said by the prophets they did not accurately understand it, but imitated what was said of our Christ, like men who are in error, we will make plain. The prophet Moses, then, was, as we have already said, older than all writers; and by him, as we have also said before, it was thus predicted: "There shall not fail a prince from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until He come for whom it is reserved; and He shall be the desire of the Gentiles, binding His foal to the vine, washing His robe in the blood of the grape." Genesis 49:10 The devils, accordingly, when they heard these prophetic words, said that Bacchus was the son of Jupiter, and gave out that he was the discoverer of the vine, and they number wine [or, the ass] among his mysteries; and they taught that, having been torn in pieces, he ascended into heaven. And because in the prophecy of Moses it had not been expressly intimated whether He who was to come was the Son of God, and whether He would, riding on the foal, remain on earth or ascend into heaven, and because the name of "foal" could mean either the foal of an ass or the foal of a horse, they, not knowing whether He who was foretold would bring the foal of an ass or of a horse as the sign of His coming, nor whether He was the Son of God, as we said above, or of man, gave out that Bellerophon, a man born of man, himself ascended to heaven on his horse Pegasus. And when they heard it said by the other prophet Isaiah, that He should be born of a virgin, and by His own means ascend into heaven, they pretended that Perseus was spoken of. And when they knew what was said, as has been cited above, in the prophecies written aforetime, "Strong as a giant to run his course," they said that Hercules was strong, and had journeyed over the whole earth. And when, again, they learned that it had been foretold that He should heal every sickness, and raise the dead, they produced Æsculapius. And the devils, indeed, having heard this washing published by the prophet, instigated those who enter their temples, and are about to approach them with libations and burnt-offerings, also to sprinkle themselves…From what has been already said, you can understand how the devils, in imitation of what was said by Moses, asserted that Proserpine was the daughter of Jupiter, and instigated the people to set up an image of her under the name of Kore,.

• Korey : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  They call it propaganda for a reason

• asda : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  thats not ironic.

• ZeitgeistShowsItAll : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  i would loooooooove to see one of the "anti-zeitgeist" supporter explain me : how , please how is this fucking possible to have MELTING METALS up to SEVEN FUCKING WEEKS after the "crash" of the 9/11 ?

  its one out of millions question i wanna ask to the one track minded online random dudes

• Don't worry about it : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  Zeitgiest may not be the entire truth, but it is more truthful than anything any politician or clergyman would say.

  But fuck it; stick to your "Holy Bibles" and "elections" and all that bullshit. Leave the real truth-seeking to people who are willing to be uncomfortable while looking for it.

• TwoKewlFourSkewl : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  "Anybody who make up their mind before hearing an issue is a fucking fool!" -Chris Rock
  Hah… well.

  I'm sorry… i just can't see any kind of intellectual argument about this movie being a complete failure. But don't jizz just yet, i know for a fact that Zeitgeist may not be 100% true, but i can assure you that it is very, very close.

  Then again, you can never actually "like" or find this this film enlightening unless somebody else "reached to you first", if you have a made-up idea of how things are working or made to be… keep living in that assumption and do not watch this movie to mock it as a result of your schooled view of the world. It's easy to aagree that "Christianity is based upon previous religions. Fair enough" because you have that Idea of religion imbuned in your head right before watching this movie.

  Your reactions after watching thos movie is 100% based upon what your brain assumed right before watching this movie at all. You can either like it, or hate it.

  All that you need to know is that you'll never know it all…

• Eu Teo : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  Quote, directly from Zeitgeist, which you claim you watched: "the 4th, Josephus, has been proven to be a forgery for many decades. Sadly, he is still cited today". And no, there is no other (non-forged) evidence of jesus, except the bible itself.

• hcmos : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  dude im sorry to say, even if jesus was real, he was just an ordinary man. There is no god or satin. Only what we see now. Are you happy with what the world looks like? Take your blindfold off man.

• hcmos : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  wow david. You are so incredibly lost that you cant even see whats in front of you. If someone gives you a better alternative, you turn it down. It is your criticism that fuels the movement. You remind us just how much we need to change and just how far we are from our goal. I am sorry for you.

• M. Pichu : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  have ever seen matt damon slam sarah palin on youtube? go watch it, its hilarious. its the truth. and its terrifying. how can someone so FUCKING stupid have as much say as she does in anything that holds any sort of position that involves serious decision making. that view is the same view in regards to the stupidity of the majority of the people in my country (america). who cares about the govt, money, 9/11, whatever, but the end product – these alternative energies. im not religious because I have had the choice and religion is a joke. i do not need to justify why religion is a joke, its a fucking story. cool you cant cope with death, we live, we die, hopefully theres more than we could have ever imagined, but the thing is there is no fucking way any one can ever know what lies beyond. believe what you want, but dont involve me… ever…

• M. Pichu : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  especially the fucking psycho preachers who scream at kids on my campus about masturbation. its just a tool to teach common sense rules ( dont murder, steal, etc. ) but no religion should claim these rules as their own ideas. stop this fucking war. put money where it benefits everyone. for christs sake i hate my life. i go to an amazing univeristy, carry 16 hours of science and labs, work 30 hours a week at a restaurant. i enjoy getting fucked up when i can. my life is easy as balls but i work my ass off because it makes me feel like that If I was lucky enough to win the life lottery, (grew up in daytona beach fl), i should at least be a hard working decent human being always trying to do my best. and i hate who i am for it, i hate being this fortunate, but what can i do? billions. billions. there are billions of people suffering in the world. in a time where the term billion gets thrown around alot i think we seem to have forgotten how much a billion really is. everyday is a fight to live in most peoples cases. its not fair I have this job, i go home and turn on the a/c, play video games, get stoned.

• M. Pichu : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  i help people when i can. always donating, helping, trying to be cheerful. I have no reason to ever get upset. EVER. but we are human and sometimes it is very hard. ive had some mental breakdowns i didnt know i could have that are terrifying between the stress of school, and the condition of our planet. and finally, someone is trying to get people together to solve this. how can i help? even if i can only help a few. say one word about how this idea is silly or stupid and then bring up and jesus, and so help you god i will end you. everyone who doesnt have to struggle should have a god damn smile on their face and the piece of mind to volunteer or help out complete strangers. so here with the zeitgeist you have a man asking for nothing but a favor to just think hard about how life is now. This cant be it, where our civilization is at. Theres no way. Nothing ever stays the same for too long.

• M. Pichu : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  No some schizophrenic, is not going to rise up and bring us to salvation. Humans need to get past whos got the bigger stick. Men have always wanted to be better which i find so god damn annoying you can see the personality trait in people. the competitiveness. you see it in sports where it is okay, but it is the same competitiveness that discriminates in life. Kings and Queens and the poor, people just being fucking dicks, fucking everyone else over because they dont have the morals to not screw everyone and only care about themselves. we have to care for everyone. when people have been behaving that ignorantly for thousands of years, I can totally see why the worlds as fucked up as it is now. there is no way we did the right way the first time. but now we have the technology to see our wrong and stop it. we can harvest energy from the sun, water, wind, and a list of growing resources! we can send people to space! we can travel across the world in no time. technology isnt limited, our understanding of it is. Let us loose, take brilliant minds and fund them.

• M. Pichu : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  Look at the iPhone. amazing technology. or any smart phone in general. When ever they release a new version it has got something better. They have the technology, everyone knows that, but why do they make us wait? to build anticipation, to make us buy version 1.0, then version 2.0 all for profit. This is just one example of technology being slowed by profits. Imagine where else this technology is being held back. It is all about energy. Lets the get this energy thing moving. Human beings can be absolutley brilliant amazing creatures and there is no reason why our world, life, and technology cant reflect that. we have the potential to be greater than we ever imagined and were still arguing about who's imaginary friend is better while 8 year old kids with ak-47s are shooting down helpless families every day. fucking A. ive never been excited about anything, but this is the first real thing to offer something better than the shithole were in now. also if anyone hates on my grammer, shut the fuck up. there are more important things in what i said than in the way that i conveyed it. i hate this keyboard.

• M. Pichu : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  sorry all 5 of those responses are scattered the first three paragraphs are under hcmo

• axel : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  k so i've done the reading and watched some vidoes and im starten to wonder is this all a buncha bullshit or is there some sort of logic to this? or what is the point in reading all this? ive spent hours on this subject and it doest seem all that real

• Zack : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  lol, they give references to other modern day people who wrote the same thing, not historical factual evidence at all. This movie is a part of the illuminati/freemason agenda.

• Zack : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  It has been thoroughly debunked, do some research.

• Dab : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  Goddammit, "begs the question" does not mean "asks the question"

• Archangel Minami : May 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm

  Seriously, your review was mostly on the aesthetic quality of the film, and you had no arguments supporting your dismissal of the movies actual information. You seem to be close minded. I don't agree with the movie 100% but the information it gave is thought provoking. So Part I was a plagiarism? Big deal. I've never seen "God Who Wasn't There" so it's new to me. You seem very hasty in dismissing the information the documentary gives.

• James : Sep 10, 2011 at 3:39 pm

  I ‘ve seen it. There is a lot of info in it. It is hard to say if it is correct info through out.

  I did however take the religeous history seriously and decided to do my own due diligence because I am a person of faith but with an open mind and quite willing to leave my comfort zone in the pursuit of truth.

  I read through the cycle of Osiris and compared it to Christianity. I really didn’t see a valid connection personally. Religeous themes in general are, by nature similar in concept (birth, death afterlife, etc.)

  I did listen to some mighty convincing rebuttles from more scholarly individuals. Zeitgeist is very sloppy in its characterazation of religion allthough has some truth in it. Religion has been used to manipulate and control the masses. This fact in it self does not negate the underlying belief system.

  Personally, having viewed lots of these types of videoes, most are very sloppy with there facts when you check them out. Most of the info we receive is gotten second hand from people who themselves have received it second hand. Very few really investigate these matters. Zeitgeit is a classic example of this. The shear volume of info covered demands only a cursury reading into each matter was possible.

  I prefer to read many different sources that have depth than one shallow overview as zeitgeist.

  But Zeitgeit hopefully gets poeple stirred up to make that investigation for themselves. Reality is much different than we were taught.

• TeslaVolt : Sep 23, 2011 at 4:21 am

  I am not familiar enough with the other religious figures compared to Jesus in the film to support or condemn such comparisons. However, I do know that immaculate conception is not attributed only to Jesus, as according to at least some interpretations Huang-di (the legendary first emperor of China – who is also sometimes seen as a god), Noah (yes the one that built the ark… supposedly when his father returned from a long trip and found his wife had had a child, he noticed he did not look like a son of man but a son of god, but as Enoch told him the child would be super important, he raised the child as his own), and the Hopi star children (where young girls would mysteriously get pregnant while walking in the woods).

  But what I think is more important than these similarities, is the fact that even some of Jesus’s own followers and possibly even some of the disciples did not necessarily believe him to Devine. Jesus’s godly lineage, important dates (such as his birth and easter), and resurrection were of great debate until the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE. The gospel of Thomas found with the gnostic texts is dated to 100 CE (hidden so as to avoid being destroyed upon the orders of the Council). These texts of early christians make no mention of Jesus’s virgin birth, miracles, having 12 disciples, the crucifixion, or resurrection. Jesus is also never given the title Christ or Lord.
  So I ask… if even his early followers were not sure of his divinity, how can people be so sure 2000 years later. Especially when a council of elite were charged with deciding what information should be passed on as truth and what should be burned and forgotten. Is it so hard to believe that these men would try to protect their own interests…. consider how poorly the policies of the catholic church aligned with the original teachings of Jesus (did you ever hear of Jesus charging taxes from his followers).

  So although I do agree that Zeitgeist should have done a better job of presenting credible sources for the information presented on the religious figures mentioned (and not have included them in his argument if credible sources are not available), I believe it does its job in demonstrating that religion should be questioned. I mean, what other knowledge do we unconditionally hold as true from 2000 years ago, with no evidence or proof that the information had not been tampered with (just look at how many versions of the bible have popped up in the last 500 years?).

  This is one of the major problems I have with religion in general (but especially the abrahamic religions). Apart from concentrating power, they impede the progress of understanding. Rather than allowing the peoples understanding of the world adapt with each new discovery they ostracize anyone with a new idea and claim it to not be possible because of dogma. The church has condemned every new scientific find from the heliocentric theory to the existence of a vacuum and to this day the theory of evolution. Why is it so hard to accept that religion was an early attempt at science (which is simply the attempt to explain our physical world) and that with time our understanding has increased… but since these early attempts required gods to explain the unexplainable, it’s heresy to move on to new ideas regardless if they have more supporting evidence.

  Science is my religion (not to be mistaken with scientology), and what’s great is that even if everything I have ever learned about the world is proven wrong, any new information will still be part of science… because that is what science is… it’s just trying to get to the truth, even if that means disproving the past. I mean Einstein proved that Newton was wrong… Einstein’s theory of relativity gets us closer to a true explanation for how the universe works; this doesn’t mean that Newton’s laws were irrelevant or that he was an idiot (in fact you’d have to be working with speeds close to that of light for you to see a difference between their results), but technically his equations are not perfectly correct. Scientists cannot and do not even claim evolution to be a fact or that the sum of the squares of the two smaller sides of a right triangle equals the root of the hypotenuse; they are theorems which are the best approximation we know and which have not been yet proven wrong.

  This all being said, I agree with those of you that are more concerned with the second and third sections of the movie and Zeitgeist Addendum as it affects our lives today and the future. I too am looking for any information that counters the claims that these movies make especially in regards to the economic system and the FED.

• Ioana Banda Claudia : Oct 17, 2011 at 10:50 am

  Hello, if Zeitgeist is a lie, our human beings conflicts for money are also lies? Who can be rich in today’s society? The one who is more and more greedy, in front of others(in big competition), who lies more, who is more corrupt, who is without soul in conclusion. can a sincere human being, an honest person have money to enjoy life as the one who steal from us(by imposing big taxes paying the interest for the richest), isn’t it? Listen Krishnamurti on YouTube who is the most compassionate soul ever, the video “”Living Totally Without Conflict, The Only Video You Have to See” and then tell us that he, also is a lie. I doubt that. You have to admit that anyhow, money in this world bring more hate, more lies , even between son and father or even between the best partners. This is a life of struggle and pain. If we people are not aware of the actual truth, then we were born-struggle on this life here on earth-and die without knowing why we were lived. Thank you.

• AJ : Dec 27, 2011 at 10:52 pm

  I just saw the film. I have mixed feelings about it. Let me first mention the positive things.
  First of all, I find it positive because it drives people to question things. That is good enough to justify it, Even if that leads us into thinking that some aspects of the film are wrong or exagerated, I also agree with the general conclusions: Religion is a great lie. The 9/11 was a perfect excuse for a restrictive policy that was decided beforehand (this is documented). I am not sure if it was organized by some americans or simply tolerated by looking elsewhere. Finally, I believe that a group of people (some bankers and others) are the true rulers of the world. Politics is simply a deceipt into thinking that we are the owners of our destiny.

  Now comes the criticism. First part: I do not need such a well-cooked set of arguments to convince me that
  religion is a lie. Different religions contradict each other. How can I accept that I was lucky to fall into the
  right religion by chance? Religion has a tribal origin. It convinces people that their group has a supernatural help to beat the rivals. This is clearly the case for the Hebrew or the vikings, the greeks and many others. Furthermore, it was also used by rulers and kings to legitimate their power. Believing in religion today is like believing in Father Christmas or Santa Claus when you are grown-up. Furthermore,
  the analysis trying to trace all symbols into astronomical facts is too strong to be true. It does not look too scientific.

  For the second and third part I lack a better explanation of who was in the conspiration and who wasn’t. It is hard to believe in conspirations involving too many people with different jobs and interests. As I said before
  it is easier to believe that the intelligence service did not react to something planned by islamists, than to think that it was all set up by them. There are also facts that are fishy about the remains of the planes and the subsequent investigation. One explanation is that some planes were shot down by the airforce and they did not want to make that public. I am not an architect and cannot judge about the way the towers collapsed. The opinions and facts presented in the film are quite intriguing.

  In summary, despite its possible inaccuracies and exagerations, I would recommend to see it.

• Shyam Rajagopalan : Jan 12, 2012 at 2:36 pm

  I have watched the latest video from Zeitgeist, and I would like to say, the film is very convincing at least to one point which is; removing hunger from entire earth. Talking about real spiritual awakening, opening up natural resources and making them equally available to every single citizen of this world may sound like a scam, or something totally manipulating, but the truth is, it is a possibility and it has happened before. Hinduism is an example of what Zeitgeist is trying to achieve. Let me tell you all, Hinduism is not a religion, but a way of life, and Hinduism says, every single human being on this planet has a right to believe what they want to believe in, but at the same time, must follow the moral codes of human rights, and co-exist by sharing what we have equally.

  This is the exact principle applied as in the Rig Veda. Rig Veda says, whatever you have, food, water, shelter and clothing, all must be shared equally. Education must be equal for all, and everybody must assist everyone to progress at a gradual pace and lend a hand to bring harmony in the society. The principle of Zeitgeist is so simple and easy to understand that I am sure there is no scheme over here to misuse anybody’s faith or trust.

  Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Sikh, everybody can benefit from this idea and this is one marvelous truth. They are right when they say money needs to go. Absolute truth is attained when the awareness is shifted from material achievement to awareness of the Self. That is only possible, when humans are relieved from pressures of job, survival and also taught to preserve nature. This is a beautiful movement and there is nothing to feel scared about. You can start one movement in your locality, bring better spiritual education, learn to respect animals and trees, and stand up against corruption etc.

  As long as one is put under constant pressure of wealth, corruption, theft and stealing will always be there. Money is the root cause for all evil in the world. Stop confiscating properties, open up resources, and come together to support each other regardless of race, religion, cultures and languages. Everybody must speak one language of love, and above all, there must be non-violence. Zeitgeist is getting THERE!

• Eve : Jan 30, 2012 at 2:36 pm

  The movie claims an Utopian solution that is far from clever. The author, just like as Jacque Fresco in his speeches, never goes into detail and gives elusive answers to real problems. It’s comparable to a SMS lover – he has an impact, but if forced to talk with his partner for hours he has nothing to say to her.

  But unfortunately it is true that every war the US was involved had in fact economic reasons behind it..you can take a look at Edward Bernays’s (father or PR)speeches.. where he literally points out the methods he used to create propaganda preparing public opinion to favor war. Every intervention had an interest behind it…no country goes to war for the sake of war.

  I’m not exactly a fan of Zeitgeist or the Venus project but it does point out some flaws in the American society:
  - the fanatic nationalism of the Americans…
  - the failure of occidental capitalism (maybe we should learn from Asian capitalism that’s so successful today)…
  - the lack of social measures in USA politics…
  - the religious fanaticism that is so widely spread in your country
  - the huge discrepancy between social classes
  - the powerlessness of the people over political decisions
  - the almost propagandistic way the media now functions
  - the exaggerate cult for products, status, propriety..
  - the lack of interest for higher human values in detriment of wealth..

  I was also amazed by the general tone of the documentary – each claim (the nativity in blindly following religious beliefs for example) was presented as a great discovery…as if they were speaking to a dumb uncultured audience .

  Objectively speaking and without bad intentions….the US is one greedy, aggressive and reckless country…that needs time to learn out of it’s mistakes, just like a rebelled teenager needs time to mature… a couple of centuries is not enough..
  On the bright side it’s a great breeding spot for technological progress.

• Francois : Feb 19, 2012 at 11:32 am

  I have to disagree. I am not a big fan of conspiracy theories and I usually mock people who spread those rumors. But I don’t see any of those theories in this film. It’s all filled with verifiable facts and I have checked up on most of those facts only to find out they are true. True there are some stuff that could be bullshit (including the 9/11 conspiracy stuff, which I believe are not really bullshit, but are not verifiable, so by scientific process cannot be taken for facts). But even then, 9/11 CANNOT really be a simple act of terrorism as is reported by the media. Proof? Bin Laden was killed and thrown in the sea so that no one can find the body. Has this ever happened before??? The world’s most wanted terrorist is killed and all evidence is erased on purpose??

  This film did change a lot of the preconditioned ideas and concepts in my head, including my previously blind religious faith and respect to higher authority.

  Also, this article doesn’t even discuss the points that were raised by the film, it simply calls it bullshit without providing any counter-facts. I guess it’s a natural reaction to anyone who is brainwashed and afraid to come out of the dark. I had that reaction at first. All those I know who saw the film felt the same.

• David C : Sep 18, 2012 at 4:46 pm

  This is a great example of logical fallicy that is a problem with this kind of stuff: “I would like to see a real list of what’s wrong in the movie”

  No, that’s not how it works. The burden of proof is on the makers of the movie, not viewers who aren’t convinced. A citizen’s default position should be to call everything ‘bull’ – from these movies, to what churches/governments/corporations say. Proof then needs to PROVE its case. Folks who already agree are insulted that others aren’t convinced, but that’s unnecessary. Just make a better movie to prove your case if it is in fact accurate.

• Anon : Dec 15, 2012 at 5:43 am

  “I would like to see a real list of what’s wrong in the movie”
  same. It’s funny how every argument I read on the internet about Zeitgeist being a lie is not enough reasonale to make me believe that’s a big fat lie. Ofc there are some things unexplained but that’s it.

• Tony : Mar 6, 2013 at 9:50 pm

  Like people have stated earlier, a documentary film that claims to be the almighty truth, yet incorporates some of the most eerie music throughout, and begins with a hypnotic foreshadowing of the later presented facts, has been manufactured for a serious agenda. (In my view a personal one) Perhaps the stuff is half true, but points to the full truth. Still I doubt it. I have wasted a year of my life pandering on the possible actuality of a One World Government. I have also been dealing with a serious concussion, and can tell you one thing: it simply doesn’t matter if all this is true. Live life. Love. Don’t waste your time listening to other people’s interpretations. Heck, don’t listen to me, find your own happiness. You only live once, and I can tell you I have wasted my last year of high school researching and believing stuff that no one can prove. On top of it, I ignored my emotions and smoked them away. I am now realizing it doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. If it is, are you going to stop it? My personality type is intj/infj (mastermind personality) spent much of my last year with a friend with the same type of mind, both of our IQ’s in the genius range. I can tell you if the movie is true, and all this is going on, no one can stop it, so if it is true, why spend your last days fretting. And to all those conspiracy thinkers that want to return to a normal life but feel they are just going back into the organized lie of a lifestyle (the feeling I always get!), SO WHAT! We are meant to live, not question, and don’t feel bad if you feel like you’re ignoring the truth, the only truth is the truth you make, so make your life a happy one, and if you really want to know if this is true, then get your ass off your couch and go out and be successful! For the only ones that really know are the ones that are in a position to know. We do live in a world of corruption, we always have. As someone said in a post above, it’s easy and understandable for one to point to one entity as the cause for the World’s problems, for this makes for an easy world view, hence the reason a documentary like this is so successful at portraying the truth. It is impossible for one to know how the world goes round, unless their explanation is as simple as “greed.” There is so much going on in our own community that we aren’t aware of. So start there, in your own community, get involved, volunteer, so while your making the world a better place you can also analyze how things work, how people interact. Then, see if your assumptions on your community views fit the assumptions of Zeitgeist. So, like I said before, live, love, and be happy, for the only one you can control is yourself, and the best way to spread your lifestyle views is not by force and control, but by being an excellent example. Lastly, a quote that I used to sometimes live by but later forgot after my concussion made me a space cadet: “As soon as you think you know the World and how it runs, YOUR WRONG!” There are simply too diverse a species of humans that inhabit this Earth for every ruler of every nation, and every leader of every group, to have the same goals, morals, and temperament, so I believe while this documentary has some truth, it (in my humblest opinion) is very, very, extremely farfetched. Again, live, love, and be happy! Being religious or atheist, black or white, male or female, we all have it in our human minds and souls to be our own person, and reject anyone else’s views to be the absolute truth. An intelligent person will tell you they simply know nothing about how life works, but obviously we have it (unless this is being read by some droid bot) so don’t waste looking through eyes of a viscous, strong belief system.

  P.S. anyone that knows ANYTHING about post concussion and recovery (real recovery not medication therapy) please email me at schaller_tony@yahoo.com

• Myster : Mar 16, 2013 at 4:00 pm

  The person who wrote this is a twit – all he does is spew – he doesn’t actually state any truth to back his baloney rhetoric – how about some facts – how about showing you actually know something – just one thing – like the fact that there was no income tax up until when the film explains it was created. How about understanding the origins of mythology and reasons behind it. How about doing something other than spewing. The only FEBL I see here is this article..